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Leynia's avatar

Crush us further. But that is not a complaint. You are superb at keeping us informed, and informed we must be. Gracias.

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Gas Axe's avatar

Pear review the paper you submitted is a dead giveaway that no one wants to get involved.

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Baldmichael's avatar

Was the 'pear' review carried out by Apple? :)

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

I think the long COVID could be related to flu shots.

Back in 2018, my father was hospitalized with low oxygen after a persistent cough that went away. It was treated quickly with oxygen and steroids.

Later on, I asked him if he got any shots before this incident. Turns out he got a flu shot and some booster.

(The 2018 "flu" year was quite bad. 🤔 💉?!)

Add toxic remdesevir and ventilators to this condition and voila, long COVID symptoms.

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Sarah Packman's avatar

Agree - I had an elderly neighbour complain that after flu shot,2020, she developed RA. She was COERCED into having the shot by a nurse who said that the NHS would “withdraw care” if she didn’t.

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Baldmichael's avatar

Yes, there is a bad 'flu year whenever they roll out the shots and more people take them/and or the shots are more toxic.

Still, there ae lots of other factors to consider.

https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/2023/03/24/long-covid-what-is-it/

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Nuala Norris's avatar

Thanks, Jonathan.

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MarcusBierce's avatar

I bet the elevated spike proteins (whatever they are detecting) are from the “upgraded” flu-shot of 2019. Many people especially most of the elderly, received that shot.

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Sarah Packman's avatar

I’m almost certain - so may people I know developed arthritis after the 2019 shot. They had to ‘create’ the ‘epidemic’ I suppose 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Deanna Kline's avatar

See many jabbed with long crappy health and repeated illnesses and one new ‘disease’ after another. See many unjabbed with long something. Perhaps an illness reactivated a latent or low level eb or lyme or whatever, perhaps they had high inflammation to start and it blew up. Research may never look at this, and at best, it will be many years before someone teases it all out. Seems were barely getting started.

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Jonathan Engler's avatar

I actually don’t see anyone unjabbed with any unusual illnesses at all.

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Barekicks's avatar

I have a relative who has been dealing with serious long-term sequelae since she had covid (AKA a flu-like illness, or whatever it may have been) in March 2020. Very similar experience to what many of the vax-injured report. Frequent headaches, fatigue, unexplained joint aches...

Post-illness autoimmunity is a real phenomenon even if the number of vax injured is far larger -- and the spectrum of vax injuries greater and more severe.

One observation I want to make: because autoimmunity is statistically most likely to be experienced by women aged 30-50, and because this is the same cohort who were overrepresented as covid zealots, a lot of people default to conflating the two and claiming that symptoms are psychosomatic. But this is an incorrect assumption.

There are certainly some covidian women on social media claiming a "long covid" diagnosis for clout or whose issues seem connected to anxiety and OCD. But out in the real world there are ordinary women who were never covid zealots and who have legitimately experienced what they say they've experienced. It must also be noted that by and large these women don't go around announcing it so only friends and family and maybe some co-workers know about it.

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Jonathan Engler's avatar

A point I'd make is that even the sceptics are susceptible to suffering from the nocebo effect as a result of the relentless propaganda - I know this from personal experience.

And nocebo (about which I have written a fair bit - search my archive) is underappreciated as a driver of real symptomatology.

The final point is that as you point out ill-health inc conditions framed as "auto-immune" have historically been recognised as occasionally following a cold or flu-like illness.

Did the relative refuse the jabs?

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Chris Marcon's avatar

There is also a thin line between psycho-somatic and physio-psychic. What I mean is that conditions for cellular activity to become hyper vigilant are everywhere , and contagion can be a presentation of this .

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Deanna Kline's avatar

The unjabbed but long tired, or menstrual/hormonal changes, are ones who typically have a jabbed spouse (and menstrual /fertility issues began shortly after), or were or are around multiple jabbed all day at work days. Surely some of these are post stressful covid nonsense years leading to both hormonal shifts and psychosocial strain, yes, but certainly not all. My point is research will likely never scratch that surface hard enough to educate joe q public or prevent it from recurring. I am hopeful, still, that millions have learned and will not repeat.

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Chris Marcon's avatar

S1 or Sv40 in certain lines of the formula present in 40% perhaps , plus mRNA cytokine reaction . All this and annual flu rsv contributing .

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rickrolled's avatar

Res ipsa loquitur.

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Baldmichael's avatar

Perhaps it is all a false binary? :)

https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/2023/03/24/long-covid-what-is-it/

As to 'peer review' this anagrams to 'er viper wee'. The pharma snakes are taking the piss.

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MarcusBierce's avatar

Holy fucking shit. Right there in black and white. Thank you for sharing.

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Mike R.'s avatar

And they call it "science." *sigh*

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