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May 27·edited May 27

I'd recommend...

"The Emperor's New Drugs ( exploding the antidepressant myth )" by Irving Kirsch.

If memory serves it quotes meta-analysis on the efficacy of SSRIs.

And maybe...

"The Medicalisation of Every Day Life" by Thomas Szasz

I was convinced ( I say convinced because at the time it was obvious that these pills would help me, anyone knew this to be true, how could one know better !) to take SSRIs for a short period, my reaction to them got me thinking about what they were, I stopped and this experience partially factored into my reaction to covid vaccines, as in, 'get that shite away from me' and 'why would recommend this to me, are you sociopathic, deluded, apathetic, all of the above?'

I pretty much came to the conclusion that there are little resources available for people to deal with problems in living on personal human levels.

So conveniently people are shunted onto these lucrative pills, doctors get you out of their office, money is made, family feel like you are doing something, you feel like you are doing something, because no-one really knows at that point what's wrong, or where to turn, we don't have reference points, and it's frightening.

So what better target, times of existential vulnerability, multiplied by billions of people, by thousands of pills, off which to make a killing. Now that's a model plenty of CEOs could get behind.

SSRIs are based on a false premise, the serotonin model, it doesnt hold up well !

Was it ever believed by the creators, probably a mixed bag there.

Many [ forms ] of depression are cyclical, there's a 'regression to the mean' that occurs, this could make it appear like the drugs are effective over these periods. How many other pharma products' efficacy partially hide behind this statistical reality.

There does seem to be a placebo effect, it makes sense from what we know of this phenomenon, a cohort of people will feel improved by taking, if they believe in them!

In retrospect my own doctor, I suspect, had this stance, that they might help through placebo, he also recommended talk therapy, what else could he do, but this method has to be unethical, no?

So similarly to the vaccines, I believe, we have a mutifold veiled 'effect', backed by censorship and marketing of a hugely resourceful industry, aided by regulatory capture, and the usual assortment of theories as to what the doctors are about.

Brain chemistry could obviously come into play, but the mind could affect this clearly in return, so show the cause / effect there's a good scientist ( good luck with that ! ), this 'cure' has not shown much efficacy, a cursory dive should convince that it cannot address the complexities involved here, given its supposed mechanism of action.

And all that is without even looking at the harms, physical and psychological.

Anyway, maybe preaching to the choir here, but encourage anyone wondering to check out that book for a primer on counter arguments, and try decide if you should, although your life won't necessarily be any better by not taking them of course...

ok heavy bias 😂

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Yes, this is one of the books you must read to understand this meds scam, thanks for referencing it.

For me, if you could choose one author on psychiatry who will give you the most objective moral muscle it is Thomas Szasz.

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May 27·edited May 27

Read a lot of Szasz, loved his logic mixed with compassion, a formulative writer for me.

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Rjj, as a fellow Szasz free friend, I hope you will join our Free Friends Forum, free and, hopefully, freeing. Here for links and details https://responsiblyfree.substack.com/p/free-friends-abandoned-to-ourselves

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Ah, just noticed you mentioned Szasz's "The Medicalization...", a favorite.

Any of his 30 or so books, actually are favorites.

Again, good referencing, thanks.

Maybe next best is Robert Whitaker.

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Well done, Jonathan. I have said this, multiple times, on multiple 'stacks. One of my happiest outcomes from the Great Covid Debacle is the number of people coming out (of the woodwork) and/or "getting religion" regarding how completely and irredeemably chock-full of crap are the drug companies. Covid wasn't the first example of the rot. Hell, it might not even be the best. (I have a personal feeling that Phen-Fen, at least in the U.S., was one of the finest examples of the types of B.S. that passes for safety oversight from the FDA.) It seems to me that one could establish a rule-of-thumb stating, "If Big Pharma is making a ton of money off a drug, that drug is garbage, along with any ostensible proof offered during its approval process." I admit to being a little strident!

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Strident is good. My rule-of-thumb is that all big pharma products are crap, but not all crap is created equal!

I divide them into two types, the neurotoxic and the anti-oxidant. The latter seems to balance out the toxicity of the former so if doctor gets it right he/she can get the patient to take lots of different drugs and make lots of money for medics/pharma.

The neurotoxic have nitrogen as standard in the chemistry and bring darkness, nence the sound 'night-ro-gen'.

If they also have chlorine they are worse.

If they have fluorine they are even worse.

If they have all three they are diabolical.

https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/2023/03/04/pharmaceuticals-whats-in-them/

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I came to the sad conclusion that few to none of the major pharmaceutical drug classes do what is claimed for them.

While I was still at Pfizer, the then head of the Scientific Advisory Board, Prof Michael Brown (iirc), who I understand was awarded a Nobel Prize for his work on cholesterol biosynthesis and which paved the way for numerous, enormous selling “lipid lowering” statins like Lipitor, made a stunning remark. He intimated that he was no longer convinced that the statins “worked” by inhibiting cholesterol synthesis.

We know that the SSRIs & related agents are also far from a slam dunk on efficacy, let alone how they are supposed to work.

I also realised that CCR5 receptor antagonists as a treatment for HIV/AIDS, on the theory that this is a Co-entry receptor for “the virus”, is also fraudulent.

I do however believe that opiate agonists do work presynaptically to reduce neurotransmitter release & in those in pain, deliver antinociceptive effects. I did my PhD in a related field, the adverse effects of opiates on respiratory drive. By a strange circularity, I am now a regular user of prescription opiates.

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Have you ever considered thc / cbd?

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The idea has been suggested but I’ve never had occasion to try.

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Try spending some more time in the sunshine. Avoid sunscreen products. See what happens.

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Hello Dr Mike,

I tried looking for you online with no luck. I have an expired US patent. It got approval by the FDA as a medical device. It is a very different way of looking at healthcare and much else. I would like to get your opinion. It seems important to me that people who have not taken the mRNA shots should be able to mate with others like themselves.

https://uspto.report/patent/grant/5,108,131#:~:text=5108131

I can be contacted by text on WhatsApp at +380 66 648 1776

It is a Ukrainian number but I am physically in Egypt.

Thank you,

Labib Alfred Nassim

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That's something to hear.

It seems like you're saying all the low-hanging fruit of pharmaceutical usefull inventions could be done? And I remember your 'blackbox' explanation of some drug research.

If so, what could be areas of promise, I mean after the successes, where would it have to go to get safe and useful chemical interventions?

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I’m not alone in having had that thought.

The first time I recall discussing this in depth with another research scientist in pharma was….1989.

We could see the glimmerings of The End that far back.

All through my career, industry analysts showed that productivity got worse and worse literally every year since then.

There’s no reason why this industry should have a steady state, like mining for metal ores or drilling oil and gas.

Yet there’s an unspoken assumption that it ought endlessly to grow.

And it cannot. The substrate is absent.

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Thanks for reply.

Steady state, that sounds appealing these days :)

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May 27Liked by Jonathan Engler

P hacking

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Well done, to begin to pillory the Pills as UnSaviors of ManUnKind, thanks.

Joanna Moncrieff has pulled the curtain exposing the Wizard of Oz for decades now, along with many others like Peter Breggin, Peter Gøtzsche and Robert Whitaker to name a few.

Unfortunately, the pHarmaceutical and psychiatricK Meds Mafia will continue to shake down its victims since the "Mental Illness is a Physical Illness" lie is thoroughly indoctrinated as truth in what passes for the Masses Mind.

If you want to know where the Meds Mafia is taking the U.S. and Canada challenged-by-life persons (aka, Mentally Ill), read Rob Wipond's

YOUR CONSENT IS NOT REQUIRED: THE RISE IN PSYCHIATRIC DETENTIONS, FORCED TREATMENT, AND ABUSIVE GUARDIANSHIPS

https://www.amazon.com/Your-Consent-Not-Required-Guardianships/dp/1637741480/ref=sr_1_1

Still, keep posting as perhaps a few will stumble over the truth rather than kicking it away.

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May 27·edited May 27

Canada's openingly offering to kill the 'mentally ill' now, who's ill there?

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Yes, I am aware of this in Canada.

I have worked in Palliative Care myself and have much experience with the terminally ill.

This is an intricately interwoven issue--government assisted death/euthanasia--and there is much ignorance on both sides from my perspective.

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"there is much ignorance....."

As in there are valid cases for euthanasia, and there are zealous prohibitionists?

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Yes, of course, obviously as writers on Substack testify, there are “zealous prohibitionists”. Many more that are con rather than pro euthanasia.

Yes, there are “valid cases”! EVERY case where the individual chooses to end his/her life is “valid”.

But, obviously, we must define what we mean by “valid”. As Tom wrote: “In the animal kingdom, the rule is, eat or be eaten; in the human kingdom, define or be defined."

You are aware Tom (Szasz) ended his own life as I will do if necessary (the suffering is not worth enduring) and I hope all responsibly free individuals will if necessary?

As a Voluntaryist I do not accept the moral right of any "authority" (government or religion) to tell a person when s/he must live or die. It must always be up to the individual to choose--and we responsibly free must honor their choice even as we may try to persuade them to continue living rather than killing themselves.

I have known an elderly couple use Canada's MAID with fully informed consent and wisely to me.

However, I do not think government should have its coercive hand in ANYTHING—either to prevent a suicide or enable it. There should be no “law” for or against euthanasia.

Let it all be individually and voluntarily enacted.

As Tom asserts, suicide is not a medical problem but a moral one.

Here is I think a typical case that will challenge those normally fleeing their freedom:

‘Disturbing': Experts troubled by Canada’s euthanasia laws

https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867

I suggest all read Thomas Szaz’s “Suicide Prohibition: The Shame of Medicine”

https://www.amazon.com/Suicide-Prohibition-Medicine-Thomas-Szasz/dp/0815609906

and his “Fatal Freedom: The Ethics and Politics of Suicide”

https://www.amazon.com/Fatal-Freedom-Ethics-Politics-Suicide/dp/0815607555/ref=sr_1_1

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May 27·edited May 27

Szasz made a video at the end, I got it to pay final respects!

I agree on the free moral choice.

My difficulty that in an increasingly 'unfree' society, coercion, as MAID has I think already shown, becomes a real concern.....you covered that...and

...well it lends succour to those fullly against, the 'thin end of the wedge', manifest.

I posted about particular MAID cases, on another substack [https://jessicar.substack.com/p/are-they-trying-to-kill-us ] that seemed to suggest all is not well....

"The Candian MAID system came to my attention with the story of Margaret Marsilla, .......

https://citizengo.org/en-ca/209106-ontario-minister-health

More issues became apparent, the increased number of people availing of the service ; the stories of why some feel they have no choice ; the approaches by agents to disabled or sick enticing them ; expanding the programme to include 'mentally ill' .

Some of which is outlined in this article....

https://www.thefp.com/p/scheduled-to-die-the-rise-of-canadas

I'd heard about the 'thin end of the wedge' argument for issues like this, it occurred that this was possibly a real life example unfolding in the Canadian health system.

I remember thinking who was Dr. Joshua Pepper, the guy so breezely willing to sign off on Kiano Marsilla's death, was it an ideological calling or a handy few bob, or both?

The doctor in question is on the advisory board of MAiDHouse, have a look at their charming logo here....

https://www.maidhouse.ca/

A non-profit organisation, it sounds like noone is making any bank on gently ushering the poor souls into the next realm.

Back to Pepper, there's an unrelated video of an interview with him on leadership ( he's had a stellar career looks like ). In it he talks about one on one interactions with patients being a privilege, the honesty that comes from within a physician - patient relationship, but that these aspects have always been 'encapsulated' with a framework, in this case a publicly funded healthcare system.

He would have been the doctor that actually carried out the procedure according to Marsilla, what a privileged relationship.

So in the end, the impression I got left with was not something uplifting allowing people to escape pain and suffering, but a growing enterprise that is clearly enriching some, saving the exchequer money and is expanding now into new territory.

In this individual case there doesn't seem to be any attempt to counsel, no resources given, just a box ticking exercise. Whatever about this doctor's psychology, he refers to people wanting the end as 'patients' , there is now a 'framework' in place, readily coded to deal with these existential problems.

Welcome to the new framework."

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Very thoughtful and well expressed, Rjj, thank you.

All of what you write above I am sympathetic with. I see the criminal Canadian government agenda in MAID (what an ironic acronym!), and despise and counter it.

Again, for me, the appropriate way to combat the criminal government is to expose its moral illegitimacy and get those voluntary slaves to leave the plantation knowing if no one obeys no one rules.

I hope you will join our Free Friends Forum, it will be a delight to have your mind.

https://responsiblyfree.substack.com/p/free-friends-abandoned-to-ourselves

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My doctor ex-wife and two young daughters got clinical depression. I never had any chronic condition. The ex is 20 years younger than me. The girls are 50 and 55 years younger. They all went on these medications. Here are some differences between us:

1- I have not taken any vaccines for 50+ years. They took the shite against my advice.

2- I never slim. I eat good food. I am the same weight as 50 years ago. They went vegetarian and mucked about with diets although none of them were fat.

3- I walk outside for an hour every day. I don't avoid sunshine. I never use sunscreen. They did the opposite.

I really need to emphasize the importance of sunshine.

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Antidepressants are the "Elephant in the Room" that gets squashed when someone mentions Perps in School Shootings, and Just recently, I saw a report that came out saying that Cannabis causes Psychosis, which is a bunch of BS! I believe Antidepressants cause Psychosis!

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The combination of cannabis with certain antidepressants can be disastrous . Experienced it first hand 15 years ago. I don't blame it on the cannabis, it was the psych meds.

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Psychiatric meds throw off all the neurotransmitter chemicals including the bodies Endocannibinoid system!

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Once again “medical science” latches onto a simple one-dimensional mechanism to explain what’s likely a highly complex multi variate condition. And when experiments don’t support their pre-determined serotonin light switch model, they spin the results to offer some support and roll out the pharma guns a blazin. At least it’s “safe” (I.e., people don’t seem to drop dead immediately after taking it).

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May 28·edited May 28

Nice! Only quibble is with the "safe" bit.

Not immediately perhaps, drop dead like, but how could we ever know whether it was the 'condition' or the drug.

And how could you even design a RCT for testing this if there was a will. Plus all the other harms associated.

"Because many prior studies found increased suicidal ideation with antidepressant use, in 2004 the FDA gave these drugs a black box warning—a label reserved for the most serious hazards—and the EMA issued similar alerts"

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-hidden-harm-of-antidepressants/

2016

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Yeah safe was sarcasm. I meant to say that pharma would deem it “safe” as long as a few test subjects didn’t die or react badly immediately after the jab. Of course that is no one else’s definition of safe, and they clearly aren’t safe.

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Of course, way to eager there me !

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The pill/candy connexn is so strong. That's why you gotta get 'em young.

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I’m a yoga teacher and craniosacral therapist. I guess I’m a body worker. The Midwestern doctor talks about zeta potential as being the key to health. This references fluid movement. As yogis we do intelligent movement with good body mechanics to keep our spine limber and our muscles supple and strong. Yogis practice breathing exercises to increase respiratory efficiency and volume. We train our attention to de center from our thoughts. Challenge our thoughts and rethink a better one. This leads to coherence with all other systems as described in Heartmath research. We also know that posture reflects a bad mood but equally it can also create one. Mirror neuron networks lead to emotional contagion. Yoga includes abdominal practices which impact the microbiome and strengthens the enteric nervous system. There are neurons in our gut! Similarly craniosacral therapy enhances the cerebral spinal fluid movement around your central

Nervous system. The cns is the center of all other systems. Stephen Porges notes that if people are stuck in fear responses such as fight flight freeze they can’t access higher level thinking but are stuck in the brain stem responses. What if we tried balancing the nervous system with non invasive non toxic methods from ancient yoga to newer craniosacral both based on enhancing fluid movement and recharging our water battery as represented in Dr Gerald Pollacks 4th phase of water research?

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Much credit for deciding to end the charade on your own terms, I did the exact same 15 years ago. I too, remember the claim that cymbalta would help fibromyalgia symptoms.

It was BS.

Despite tapering down , I had some of the worst ‘discontinuation symptoms’ that lasted nearly 3 years. Fast forward to now & it was one of the best decisions ever made.

Some things that may help reduce your pain include -

Omega 3 Fatty Acids ( I take flax oil)

Turmeric extract ( natures bounty 538 mg was a game changer for me)

Ginger root

Boswelia

DMSO

AI models such as chat gpt and perplexity.ai can be very useful when doing deep dives into alternative healing, at least for now.

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You're welcome. Be aware of food sensitivities too, some will make joint pain and inflammation worse. For some it can be dairy, others gluten or lectins ( found in beans) . I hope you crack the code to pain relief soon!

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