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I'd recommend...

"The Emperor's New Drugs ( exploding the antidepressant myth )" by Irving Kirsch.

If memory serves it quotes meta-analysis on the efficacy of SSRIs.

And maybe...

"The Medicalisation of Every Day Life" by Thomas Szasz

I was convinced ( I say convinced because at the time it was obvious that these pills would help me, anyone knew this to be true, how could one know better !) to take SSRIs for a short period, my reaction to them got me thinking about what they were, I stopped and this experience partially factored into my reaction to covid vaccines, as in, 'get that shite away from me' and 'why would recommend this to me, are you sociopathic, deluded, apathetic, all of the above?'

I pretty much came to the conclusion that there are little resources available for people to deal with problems in living on personal human levels.

So conveniently people are shunted onto these lucrative pills, doctors get you out of their office, money is made, family feel like you are doing something, you feel like you are doing something, because no-one really knows at that point what's wrong, or where to turn, we don't have reference points, and it's frightening.

So what better target, times of existential vulnerability, multiplied by billions of people, by thousands of pills, off which to make a killing. Now that's a model plenty of CEOs could get behind.

SSRIs are based on a false premise, the serotonin model, it doesnt hold up well !

Was it ever believed by the creators, probably a mixed bag there.

Many [ forms ] of depression are cyclical, there's a 'regression to the mean' that occurs, this could make it appear like the drugs are effective over these periods. How many other pharma products' efficacy partially hide behind this statistical reality.

There does seem to be a placebo effect, it makes sense from what we know of this phenomenon, a cohort of people will feel improved by taking, if they believe in them!

In retrospect my own doctor, I suspect, had this stance, that they might help through placebo, he also recommended talk therapy, what else could he do, but this method has to be unethical, no?

So similarly to the vaccines, I believe, we have a mutifold veiled 'effect', backed by censorship and marketing of a hugely resourceful industry, aided by regulatory capture, and the usual assortment of theories as to what the doctors are about.

Brain chemistry could obviously come into play, but the mind could affect this clearly in return, so show the cause / effect there's a good scientist ( good luck with that ! ), this 'cure' has not shown much efficacy, a cursory dive should convince that it cannot address the complexities involved here, given its supposed mechanism of action.

And all that is without even looking at the harms, physical and psychological.

Anyway, maybe preaching to the choir here, but encourage anyone wondering to check out that book for a primer on counter arguments, and try decide if you should, although your life won't necessarily be any better by not taking them of course...

ok heavy bias 😂

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Well done, Jonathan. I have said this, multiple times, on multiple 'stacks. One of my happiest outcomes from the Great Covid Debacle is the number of people coming out (of the woodwork) and/or "getting religion" regarding how completely and irredeemably chock-full of crap are the drug companies. Covid wasn't the first example of the rot. Hell, it might not even be the best. (I have a personal feeling that Phen-Fen, at least in the U.S., was one of the finest examples of the types of B.S. that passes for safety oversight from the FDA.) It seems to me that one could establish a rule-of-thumb stating, "If Big Pharma is making a ton of money off a drug, that drug is garbage, along with any ostensible proof offered during its approval process." I admit to being a little strident!

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