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Cees Mul's avatar

I am getting more and more interested in the psychology of an 'evil pathogen' threatening us. The narrative imposes fear on people. The tale is that there is an invisible enemy threatening to kill us all. Whether that pathogen is a virus, a bacterium, a fungus or something else seems irrelevant.

We are constantly exposed to all kind of pathogen's. These have evolved over time. Much of the fear of infection diseases dates back to the days of the industrial revolution where people lived in appalling circumstances. The combination of extremely unhealthy people and dreadful living conditions (open sewers, or no sewers at all, people packed in swampy overcrowded rooms, extreme work days, child labour) creates the perfect conditions for infection diseases. I just read 'Dissolving Illusions' by Suzanne Humpries and Roman Bystranyk. It makes a lot of sense to me. The book is not new, and dates from well before the Covid madness, The patterns around vaccine development however were always the same as now. Initially the vaccines are considered 'safe and effective', then it turns out they dont stop infection, and they're sold as 'reducing the symptoms'. And probably the side effects are more serious than initially anticipated.

Saying that we should rely on our immune system makes you an antivaxxer and heretic. I think thats the key message: These pathogen's have been around for millions of years. But if social coinditions weaken our immune systems, the pathogens become a problem. We have hardly begun to understand the complexity of the immune system, but are now rolling out mRNA 'vaccines. Its not the first time that sapiens' solution cause more trouble than the original problem.

Shingles is a good example. The chickenpox virus remains in the body, but normally does no harm. Until an immune system disorder developes. So, is it a matter of a hostile virus, or is the root cause our own immune system?

To me its becoming increasingly obvious that the uncontrolled tampering with the immune system (playing God) weakens our immune system. Worse, its a vicious circle. A 'pandemic' occurs, people are jabbed with the wonder potion. As a result all sort of other infections rise. The solution? More wonder potion (mRNA jabs).

Sorry for rambling on. But describing a virus as a vile enemy that needs to be beaten is probably one of the biggest deceptions. And its impossible.

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Jonathan Engler's avatar

Absolutely.

It’s why I always say that the “pump handle” (using the Jon Snow analogy) isn’t a virus at all, but a narrative.

The outstanding question for me is to what extent was the narrative carefully crafted and launched as an operation, or alternatively emergent based on decades of over interpreted virological research and pandemic preparedness planning.

Re WW1, was the murder of the Archduke just the trigger which set in train a global conflict which global conditions had made inevitable at some point?

By analogy, if it wasn’t this particular virus (or should I say sequence) perhaps it would have been another at some point because of the structural alignment of different interests.

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Cees Mul's avatar

There are so many angles around this narrative.

And lots of assumptions, since we probably only know fragments of what really happened.

I am inclined to believe your second train of thought, an emergent based on decades of over interpreted virological research etc. But... this would have a deeper layer as well. Once an entity as WHO exists, it will find ways to defend its existence. Without pandemics, what is a WORLD Health Organisation supposed to do? Not even mentioning all these other Governmental and non-governmental organisations.

So, there's the 'pump handle', and there's the execution of the unfolding drama. But there is also the manipulation of the populations. And -probably- decades of misleading heroic tales around vaccine successes. Which I now also started doubting.

The gain of function stuff may not be directly relevant for the unfolding of the narrative, but what if the powers (CDC, WHO etc.) were concerned that the tweaking with airborne viruses could be exposed? This could have triggered the desperate attempts to donwplay that scenario and name it a conspiracy theory. The fear of an 'escaped' lethal virus (think 'Contagious', the movie) may have triggered the pump handle?

The execution itself is an absolute mess of course. The idea of controlling an airborne respiratory virus is ludicrous. The Prime minister here said they would 'crush' the virus. As if using a sledgehammer. Yet no one laughed. Again, 'the virus was pictured as a dangerous enemy.

Books can and will probably be filled around all the madness which is still going on. Are the mRNA products really vaccines or should they be labeled GMO's (Genetically Modified Organisms)? The use of Midazolam seems to point towards euthenasia in the early days of the 'pandemic'. Why were proven methods not allowed and why were doctors fined and threatened with losing their license? The obvious Serious Adverse Effects and deaths due to the mRNA shots are still brushed under the carpet. The majority still believes its a conspiracy theory and that the vaccines saved us.

Interesting times

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Jonathan Engler's avatar

"Are the mRNA products really vaccines or should they be labeled GMO's (Genetically Modified Organisms)? "

That is a question about semantics really, but I don't see it as totally relevant. The problem is that what the covid era has shown is that whatever checks and balances, rules and regulations and so on are in place, by the use of fear governments can get most people to do anything they want.

Note that the abilities of governments to get their populations to follow the most nonsensical rules was the same regardless of the legal systems in place - be they constitutional (USA), common law (UK), codified (Europe), tyrannical or otherwise.

I think we are dealing with something deeply fundamantal.

If you actually delve into this history of "pandemics", you find the same behavioural patterns emerging time and again in response to the threat (perceived usually) of contagion.

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Cees Mul's avatar

I dont agree its just semantics. It does indeed show how governments can break their own rules. But it can be used to challenge a government. it could be a lever to to force a governemnt to show their true colors (assuming the legal system is still functioning). I dont think we should accept the fact that governments worldwide deceive their populations. I very much appreciate the initiatives of lawyers who challenge governments. It may or may not wake people up, but Its a form of resistance. Maybe we (the 20? %) can play a role in showing people there is no need for fear? Personally I have not been very succesful. People dont want to hear that basically their reality may not exist.

Agree that we are dealing with something very fundamental which goes beyond Covid. Fear of everything, which is an ideal feeding ground for Totalitarianism.

I fully agree with you that governments managed to get their populations to follow the most nonsensical rules ( remember those circles in public parks ). I really dont know what percentage opposes all this nonsense. The problem is that no one probably knows, because critical voices are censored. Maybe we are much more than 20%.

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Jonathan Engler's avatar

Agreed on the usefulness of that sort of challenge in showing the people what's going on...I was rather too hasty to downgrade it so readily.

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Allen's avatar

Invisible menace has the potential to be more terrifying than violence as it can last longer- you can draw it out for a long time- even an eternity- the thing you can’t see. Good story tellers understand this- Hitchcock understood this. The psychos running the Bio-Security State know this.

This is why the perpetuation of the invisible virus that can strike anyone at any time is so useful as a control mechanism. The catapulting of GoF and “Covid” variants and on and on is part of this Psyop. Those who perpetuate these fabrications are part of the problem, knowingly or not, and are doing the work for the Bio-security State by maintaining and heightening the fear mechanisms.

The beauty of the idea of a “virus” is that it is an invisible, submicroscopic enemy. The result is an unparalleled spread of panic and fear, trumping even that of terrorists. The "war on covid" and “viruses” in general has effectively replaced the "war on terror."

“The Virus®” is the new Al Qaeda.

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JWM_IN_VA's avatar

They were doing it to JJ Couey last year too. Coppolino and crew.

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JWM_IN_VA's avatar

So you get it from both sides: the nosuchthingasvirus tribe and the other end claiming you're part of the nosuchthingasvirus tribe when you're not.

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Jessica Hockett's avatar

Same difference

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Amat's avatar

Everything about the pandemic was contrived, we had egomaniacs who did not care who or how many people they harmed, all that mattered was to achieve whatever their goals were and they had many, many helpers participate in this evil scheme knowingly and unknowingly. As time moves on I become more and more convinced of this. I think there are many people in the "Freedom Movement" who will fight for the pandemic narrative because they earn good money from it and I suppose others who are still rigidly convinced they have experienced a pandemic and I would not be surprised if some are paid disrupters. I was convinced at the beginning we were in a pandemic but through time I have listened to independent thinkers who have no skin in the game explain alternative more logical explanations about what has happened to us and the lies we have been sold. It is puzzling to me that there are so many people with scientific and medical backgrounds who are very resistant to seeing the lies that surround us about this contrived pandemic but again maybe their livelihoods depend on it.

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Allen's avatar

The inaccurate use of terminology and inaccurate portrayal of the "no virus" discussion and the pejoratively named "no virus" people is a straw man that is piled on top of the straw man which conflates the "no virus" discussion with the "no pandemic" discussion.

None of the people that are inaccurately labeled as "no virus" people make this claim. What they say is that "viruses have never been scientifically proven to exist using proper scientific methodologies." That is a far cry from the blanket statement of "there are no such things as viruses."

Further they also go to great lengths to assert that they are in fact NOT making the claim that "no viruses exist" and could not make such a claim as you can't conclusively prove a negative.

Please be precise with your language here- it is important on this topic and in fact the linguistic manipulation is a vital aspect of the point you are making here.

As for your point it is of course the case and the reason for this is straightforward- those who create this straw man are above all else wanting to keep the evidence (and it is easily understood evidence) which proves all facets of the pandemic story to be a complete lie away from the public eye.

Think about what happens if a critical mass of the public observes and understands the data and evidence that has been put forth by J Hockett, D Rancourt, L Manookian, myself and others who have been going at this for four years now.

One of the many things that would happen is that virtually every single "health freedom" spokesperson will have to retract their earlier statements upon which they have built their reputations and careers. That's for starters.

As for how the discussion goes I have had this discussion hundreds of times by now:

"The evidence points to the fact that there was no pandemic in 2020 caused by a unique viral pathogen."

"Oh, so you're one of those despicable "no virus" people?"

"Can you quote where I said anything about "no virus?"

"Well you said there was no pathogen?"

"That's not what I said, read it again."

Round and round it goes. At that point you are not dealing with a rational person who will be open to looking at any evidence that disrupts their now ironclad belief.

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Jessica Hockett's avatar

When I think of "the no virus people," I'm referring to people who don't engage with whatever points I'm actually making and simply respond with "There are no viruses."

I've likened it to a scene from The Fugitive when Harrison Ford says, "I didn't kill my wife!" and Tommy Lee Jones responds, "I don't care!" (In context, Jones is a U.S. Marshall tasked with catching a convicted felon. Whether Ford is guilty or innocent doesn't matter for him; Jones is the enforcer, not the judge or lawyer.)

Me = Tommy Lee Jones, in the sense that "There are no viruses!" is too often a non-sequitur and distraction from whatever points I'm making.

Furthermore, when it comes to the N Italy and NYC events (for example), whether something called a virus exists or doesn't is somewhat irrelevant to the question of what the heck happened.

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consuelo's avatar

I don't have a position about whether viruses exist or don't exist. If viruses don't exist then what were the Americans and the Chinese doing, working together in both countries (and perhaps other countries) in labs, creating something to kill us? What was the DOD involved in enforcing all this mayhem? What was in the kill shots and how do they work to kill us? When will the next fake pandemic occur to get more kill shots into the suckers? Why are we still being asked if we have covid symptoms? Why are the suckers still taking PCR tests and believing they have Covid when all should know by now the PCR tests are bogus? Ker Mullis said so before he so abruptly died. Wink wink.

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Jonathan Engler's avatar

I am not sure what the existence (or role in disease) of viruses has got to do with those other things...the technology underlying PCR testing and sequencing in general was so shoddy, uncontrolled, over-sensitive, under-specific and over-interpreted that all that is required in addition to it to create a pandemic is the mere narrative of lab leak, escape or zoonotic spillover (choose your poison).

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medstudent's avatar

Fwiw I too had a very bad flu in NYC Dec 22 2019.

Also note that for SARS1 the CDC ordered everyone to stop testing for the same logic you cite: there's always something new and you are just creating panic. They said the same about masking too. That's when they were sane.

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Roc Findlay's avatar

A nice coin to be "earned" via the shit scared by the self proclaimed freedom leaders. Discernment is very important moving forward.👍🇦🇺

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Jonathan Engler's avatar

The point of this short piece has nothing to do with the existence or otherwise of viruses. If you think it has, you haven't read it and / or thought about it carefully enough.

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