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Apr 9Liked by Jonathan Engler

I unfortunately don’t have a repository of all the various articles and links I read over the pandemic years, but this concept was known and shared widely as early as mid-2020 via multiple alternative media platforms ... and yet “somehow” every single mainstream, state-controlled or legacy media outfit across the world in lockstep managed to just not report on it, or even dare to speculate?

Instead they somehow managed to publish official and “expert” accounts depicting the exact opposite, that this was novel, dangerous, and natural immunity didn’t just not exist but somehow wouldn’t help or be effective even AFTER infection ... and almost no one in the legacy media or public health field even seemed curious or skeptical about it?

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Apr 9Liked by Jonathan Engler

There was a study right at the start showing cross immunity form people who had been infected with the original 2003 SARS. The whole thing was absolute bullshit.

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Indeed. It's also incredible how people can hold these 2 concepts in their head at the same time, in a form of Doublethink:

(1) yes, OK, I accept there was plenty of evidence of cross-reacting T cells and antibodies which can neutralize SARS-CoV-2. Those are from exposure to similar viruses which are ubiquitous and constantly mutating.

(2) But SARS-CoV-2 was still a novel lab-made creation causing an entirely novel disease, even though it causes an illness indistinguishable from other respiritaory viral infections.

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I don't think these are actually mutually exclusive.. (except for the 'entirely novel' part) - clearly it wasn't that novel, but that doesn't mean humans didn't tinker with it.

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Point 1 is correct..

The word "novel"in your second point can easily be removed..

It could still have been lab made...and no different or more dangerous than natural mutations anyway..since as you also correctly pointed out it also "..causes an illness indistinguishable from other respiratory viral infections.."

Point 1 doesn't negate point 2(with novel removed) :)

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Lab-made meaning what?

Lab-made and disseminated how?

Lab-made and transmitting by what mechanism(s)

Lab-made and “out there” starting when?

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It was a response to Jonathan Engler from Panda(Who are a brilliant group)

https://pandauncut.substack.com/p/every-single-aspect-of-the-covid?

I agree with his point 1

I disagree with his point 2 as it might have been from another point source(see Italy below) that will always be unknown… and it wasn’t “nasty”

I agree with all his other points..big deal..Yes he can now sleep in peace :)

Your asking me how a boring respiratory virus is disseminated?..really?...the google will help

Your third query is just obtuse...see above answer.

It appears to have been around in 2019 in Italy..You can also find that on the goggle..

Pandas excellent summary of the whole debacle is excellent...

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Yes, saw your point after writing mine - I agree exactly!

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The reports on how natural immunity wasn’t possible blew my mind when they were pushing the darts as the only options to gain any immunity.

I kept pointing out to people that if mounting a natural response wasn’t possible then no vax could possibly work as it utilised the same immune system.

It’s how the body and immune system works otherwise we’d have no survival of the fittest and mankind would have been long gone and wiped out a long time ago.

Not everyone is vulnerable or gets sick from the same thing even in the same household.

They promoted this crap as if it was the Black Death and everyone would die without the darts, funnily enough millions like me worked through without even catching a cold before the miracle drugs were available so how do they explain that if it wasn’t all bullshit.

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Apr 26Liked by Jonathan Engler

Another issue here is that you don't even need immunity. Your mucosa in your respiratory tract form a barrier to infection (the way your skin forms a barrier to infection when it comes into contact with dirt, etc.) The primary reason we are all not getting sick constantly - even though we inhale copious quantities of bacteria, viruses, and mold with every breath - is that our respiratory tract forms natural barriers to infection.

The "immunity" aspect only rolls in if you do actually get infected. But think about it: you spend 99.9% of your life not being infected with anything, despite being exposed to pathogens constantly.

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Never forget certain bonkers legacy media called natural immunity a “conspiracy theory of anti-vaxxers” ... the article below is a marvellous time capsule of the insanity of the time, until one realised that these sentiments weren’t just lunatic or organic, but deliberate psy-op propaganda.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/05/anti-vaxxers-have-a-dangerous-theory-called-natural-immunity-now-its-going-mainstream/

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By April/May 2020 i was furiously mining the internet for info. As this info came out, though hard to find at times, our family did understand and embrace that this was morphed cold/ flu. We were horrified at where the world went, in lying and forcing hideous things on people who just believed their tv version of terror. It could be a nasty illness for some (i was really sick 8/21). Like 2018 flu was nasty for many. Then Drs DELIBERATELY tossed ALL historic medical wisdom. ALL OF IT. But the medical industrial complex' treatment of patients,or lack there of, was so hideous. I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE THEY WERE REFUSING TO TREAT SYMPTOMATIC PATIENTS TILL THEY WERE NEARLY DYING. WTAF universe did Drs suddenly feel that was an acceptable way to handle the illness? The dichotomy of do no harm, yet if you declined their immediately failed c19 injections youd be treated like a traitor and ignored medically. This will follow them to hell.

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Like me, you’re probably grateful to a certain extent to have had your eyes opened ... the realisation that it is just one big industrial-scale rort aimed at sick-care instead of health. Like you, I knew by ~April that it was seriously awry when they forced people indoors and told us Vitamin D was useless, and it only got worse and more ridiculous from there.

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I've saved and archived everything, from the very beginning, Greg. I wish I could say that I saw what was unfolding for what it was, but I didn't. I only knew that the messaging was logically inconsistent, which led me to (rightly, it turned out) deduce that there would be memory-holing designed to avoid accountability.

You are absolutely spot-on; the data immediately indicated that the initial hysteria was misplaced and that there was very good news to be shared with the world.

To your point; they refused to allow that good news to be shared with the public.

No Amnesty

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I remember the British liar Chris Whittey telling us in a press briefing that effectively "nothing to worry about". That should have been played in the MSM.

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One might even conclude that it was a "vaccine" strategy (or should I say "so-called vaccine" strategy?) from the start...

https://www.hartgroup.org/it-was-a-vaccine-strategy-from-the-start/

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They are all vaccines, according to the inventors and dispensers, and should be called so. But they could be grouped according to the alleged problematic content, if someone feel the need to do that?

A classic vaccine = Aluminum and Mercury vaccine

A gene therapy vaccine = mRNA vaccine

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Joe Biden called them "vactines"; we should follow his surefooted steps down the broad path to destruction.

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Transfection. Say it with me. We don’t play and win by using their dictionary; call IT—and everything else—what it is or we’re just being hospitable.

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Apr 9Liked by Jonathan Engler

The "pandemic" fear mongers got in early and really fast and cemented in the publics mind that we were in the midst of a deadly virus. It was overwhelming, brainwashing lies that they repeated time after time - pandemic, deadly, life would never be the same, or words to that effect, the testing and extraordinary measures taken by the governments around the world with the help of the media confirmed the messaging. The public stood little chance escaping from the brainwashing. Many people are still convinced they were just lucky to have escaped the severe effects of SARS-CoV-2 pandemic.

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Apr 11·edited Apr 11

It was all a crock of shit, how do you explain millions of people like me who worked all way through without dying without taking the darts.

It was obvious to me two weeks in when folk were not dropping like flies it was rubbish being spouted.

I found most people took their brains out and placed it on the mantle piece for safe keeping instead of looking around and asking questions.

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As you say "it was all a crock of shit". It took me a month to start to wake up and I resent that time wasted.

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Apr 9Liked by Jonathan Engler

I am actually getting quite tired of this all.

It is becoming more and more obvious every day that the powers that be did not act in the best interest of the general public.

I have been amazed how they have managed to keep the line.

So where do we go from here?

Do the PTB just hope it will all go away and fizzle out? So far there have been only very limited admissions of failures. If they follow the path of denial a chunk of the population will remain angry and distrustful.

Or will they do the decent thing and admit the whole scam? And what happens then? Will healing and some rebuilding of trust happen? Will that need criminal

Prosecutions?

Maybe we should focus on that?

What should be done to repair the damage and create a less divisive society.

No easy answers I am afraid.

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Prosecutions

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When you control the media, and now the very definition of the words “misinformation” and “disinformation” via weaponised fact-checker and “online safety” bureaucracies in thrall to the WEF and the UN, it’s easy to just keep bullshitting. Censorship and ridicule ensure that the vast majority of the population remain either completely ignorant, or worse, disbelieving that there is anything untoward happening.

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SARS-2 was the bait, mRNA injections are the bioweapon to lower birth rates, life expectancy by two years across all age groups using heart attacks, blood clots and turbo cancers.

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which basically puts pension funds from a huge loss into profit.

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and drives Nursing Homes into bankruptcy. Which is actually happening quite a lot. https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/23574040.glasgow-east-end-airdrie-care-homes-go-liquidation/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQynzbZTHJU

I wonder do they want the Nursing Home space for housing imported Troops sorry Asylum seekers

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I always believed in cock-up rather than conspiracy.

Until now.

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I’m interested in what specifically has made you rethink, if you don’t mind me asking?

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The evidence you present on prior appearance of SARS-CoV-2. I knew there were other coronaviruses that caused CSS. If as you suggest that the only real reason that a pandemic was declared was, basically, because no-one had tested for SARS-CoV-2 before, but it was actually about, then that alters things - and if such knowledge was in the private domain of the main pandemicists but they failed to mention it, one has to ask why...

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Apr 9Liked by Jonathan Engler

Immunological memory is the ability of the immune system to quickly and specifically recognize an antigen that the body has previously encountered and initiate a corresponding immune response. Generally these are secondary, tertiary and other subsequent immune responses to the same antigen. Immunological memory is responsible for the adaptive component of the immune system, special T and B cells — the so-called memory T and B cells.

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IgG antibodies are Y-shaped protein molecules that are produced by special white blood cells (B lymphocytes) in response to foreign substances (antigens) such as viruses or bacteria. Antibodies can attach to these viruses or bacteria, rendering them harmless and unable to penetrate healthy cells. They GO AWAY with time and could fall to a NEGATIVE level DOESN'T mean susceptible.

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Total immunity against viral diseases includes:

1. Local IgA and IgM

2. Humoral immunity of IgG antibodies, both those present in the blood AND those that can be produced quickly when the antigen is present

3. Cellular immunity or MEMORY

4. Other mechanisms.

When we measure antibody titers, we are ONLY documenting the IgG antibodies present in the bloodstream.

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The Immune System fires up when a pathogen, like a virus, enters the body. The pathogen releases a protein called an antigen, which calls into action the immune system’s special disease-fighting cells. "Called B and T lymphocytes", these cells NOT only destroy the virus, but they REMEMBER what it looked like so they can fend it off in the FUTURE.

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IMMUNOLOGIC MEMORY allows the immune system to REMEMBER the antigens or organisms to which it has previously been exposed. MEMORY EFFECTOR B cells (long-lived plasma cells) and MEMORY T-cells specific to a virus, give long-term immunity against these diseases.

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ADAPTIVE IMMUNITY.

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The “Adaptive Immune Response" is younger than the “Innate Immune Response" in evolutionary terms and is more specific and considerably MORE POTENT in its effects.

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The constituents of the adaptive immune response are the lymphoid cells. These include:

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The T lymphocytes and the cytokine and chemokine messenger proteins released by these cells, which direct and REGULATE the adaptive immune response.

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The B lymphocytes, which transform to the late-stage plasma cells that produce and secrete antibody.

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The lymphoid cells of the adaptive immune response reside in, and circulate between, the various lymphoid tissues of the body (e.g. the lymph nodes, spleen and mucosal lymphoid tissues). In the adaptive immune response, antigen is first transported from a site of infection by a dendritic cell to the regional lymphoid tissue. That dendritic cell in turn activates "Antigen-Specific T lymphocytes," which further activate Antigen-Specific B lymphocytes.”

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These activated, Antigen-Specific lymphocytes must then be mobilized from the regional lymphoid tissue and sent to the site of infection, a process that involves these cells moving into the lymphatic and blood circulation and interacting with the endothelial lining of blood vessels.

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Once these cells reach the site of infection, they are able to mount a full-scale ‘EFFECTOR’ response, which is considerably STRONGER than that permitted by innate immunity. As these processes take some time to occur (in the order of 4–7 days), there is a delay before adaptive immunity ‘takes over’ from the innate form of defence.

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The final component of Adaptive Immunity is the development of a “REGULATORY RESPONSE" that will "SWITCH OFF" the system when it is NO LONGER REQUIRED (i.e. when the pathogen has been ELIMINATED) so as NOT to cause DAMAGE to normal body tissue.

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HOWEVER, once this is achieved, the immune system retains the “MEMORY” of that immune response.

IMMUNOLOGICAL MEMORY is another key feature of the Adaptive Immune Response. MEMORY allows the generation of a much MORE effective SECONDARY IMMUNE RESPONSE (Anamnestic MEMORY Response) if that same antigen is EVER RE-ENCOUNTERED.

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It wouldn't matter if the Tcell immunity was a result of reaction to this particular coronavirus or related ones. Immune responses and memory adaptations to respiratory viruses are inherently cross-reactive. Either scenario belies the narrative of no natural immunity.

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Very interesting.

I had COP (cryptogenic organising pneumonia) in 2017 and again in 2019. I was really unwell with very low oxygen levels and typical organising pneumonia on enhanced CT scans. There was never any identified infection.

It responded quickly to a prolonged course of high dose steroids on each occasion. Nobody else in the family with whom I had close contact had a similar problem.

Several scientific articles have shown a very similar respiratory picture with Covid 19.

We all came through the pandemic unscathed except for my vaccine side effects of peripheral neuropathy and excessive tiredness and exercise limitation which has slowly improved over two and a half vaccine free years. I am the only one with a history of auto immune issues. I was strongly advised by the respiratory consultant to have the vaccine ASAP because of my increased risk. In fact I think the vaccine increased my risk of immune over reaction to the virus!

My strong suspicion is that I may well have had Covid 19 in 2017 and 2019 and my family didn’t over react then as I did but acquired strong natural immunity.

My older son refused any vaccines for Covid and has had a couple of very minor infections lasting two days at most. Nobody else in the family, including me, has had any severe Covid infection during the pandemic.

Anecdotal I know, and no way of proving anything, but I suspect my suspicions are correct!

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It’s no coincidence that throughout the “pandemic” the symptoms of Covid morphed by the week and were by and large synonymous with most if not all other respiratory illnesses (ILI’s), to the point where the only reason people even believed they had “Covid” was the dodgy PCR or RAT tests ... I had a bad ‘flu in March 2020, only the second one of my life, I spent a day or so in bed with a fever and aches and pains, and was back to normal within 3-5 days. Whatever I actually had, who knows, is basically the same set of symptoms that predicated this whole unnecessary pandemic panic.

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There is no viable mechanism for a distinct RNA molecule to spread throughout the entire planet while carefully observing border crossings. This notion is pure science fiction similar to the concepts used in star wars and star trek.

In the 1970's pandemics were only observed in movie theatres and sometimes on the tv. They would be more accurately named these days as pseudodemics.

The background molecular signature was always there. Anything already ubiquitous doesn't need to spread anywhere.

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Also in Italy it was known on November 2020 that SARS-CoV-2 antibodies were already present in the population before March 2020:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8529295/

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Italy had a spike in meningitis after it darted its pensioners in the same area shortly before the coof scam.

How many died thanks to those meningitis darts affecting their health and immune systems.

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Will the word really get out? Will it make a difference to our pandemics? Will the guilty be held accountable? I know it takes time but for those of us who suspected something was wrong so long ago I am thrilled to read this but tired waiting for justice. We need an accounting for every single thing that went so wrong here. Trust is completely broken

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Who needs trust when you can coerce obedience?

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From memory I recall within the first year US (California) and others were reporting blood samples from prior to December 2019 showing a per exposure to covid19. At the time it was suggested that covid had been around prior to 2019 or that some people having been exposed to other corona viruses had picked up a cross immunity. Given that we are now certain to the 99.9999999% mark that covid 19 was lab created this would imply that there was indeed some natural cross immunity at the level of 10's of a percent in the general population.

Given we also know that drugs and treatment regimes for covid 19 were actively suppressed by many government in the "west" the only explanation is to allow a huge amount of funding for mRNA products which were desperately looking for a market. This was done with the connivance of the government medical officers, academics of many countries and pharmaceutical representatives. Once started it was never about saving lives but was about making money and trying to set the stage for mRNA products for the next 20 years as a source of revenue.

The carefully crafted pandemic plans based on SARS 20 or so years ago were junked and a Chinese totalitarian regime of population control introduced.

Now as pharma tries to sustain this path with mRNA factories financed by governments around the world we have the same academics and governments continuing to finance and do gain of function research on anything they can get their hands on to create a better more lethal set of viruses.

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Apr 9·edited Apr 16

Professor Dr Franz Allersberger, the Head of the Austrian Center of disease control AGES said in spring/early summer 2021 in an interview with CIBIS: "In my opinion noone would have noticed the pandemic if we would have not had the tests." https://www.oval.media/e6bd5618-c2e9-45a2-9d5a-f76a3704909d/

A lot of senior epidemiologists say the same thing.

Virologist Professor Hendrik Streek who did research into one of the early outbreaks in Germany came to the conclusion that many people had already had the infection/corona cold without knowing it because they had antibodies. He predicted in an interview with the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung in April or May 2020 that we would not see any surplus mortality in Germany at the end of 2020. He gave a press conference with one politician in April 2020 advocating for the lifting of lockdown measures but the German government and German population had panicked due to exaggerated Media reports and did no longer listen to reasonable chief scientists and epidemiologists.

In Germany we had no increased mortality in 2020. Here you can see the death rate for 80 years plus in 2020 compared to the years before. In 2020 Germany had a relatively high number of positive PCR tests because they had done a lot of testing: https://twitter.com/SHomburg/status/1445441863645863939. The mortality was low. However, when they rolled out Biontech/Pfizer vaccines and prioritized the residents of old people's homes with two injections in January, we had a huge 29 percent increase in mortality in January 2021 in the above 80 year old population according to the German Office of National Statistics.

https://www.destatis.de/DE/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/2021/02/PD21_056_12621.html#:~:text=WIESBADEN%20%E2%80%93%20Nach%20einer%20Hochrechnung%20des,durchschnittlich%20im%20Januar%20gestorben%20waren.

Dr Friedrich Pürner who was the Head of a Local Health Office in Bavaria spoke from his experience that the disease was mild since he found that the vast majority of people who tested positive were asymptomatic or had mild Covid symptoms. He was moved to another position for speaking openly against lockdown.

There were many knowledgeable people like that.

Dr Andreas Gassen, the head of the Association of most GP practices in Germany said in a press conference in April or May 2020 that the GP practices were not at all overwhelmed with the number of Covid cases, and that the system could easily deal with 20 times as many Covid patients.

He was also advocating against lockdowns.

Why did not more government politicians listen to such knowledgeable people?

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Thanks for the smoking gun. Quite extraordinary. Public authorities around the world were taken in by a simple scam.

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It’s only testing which was newly emergent in early 2020.

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And the glory and profit of a fast to market profitable remedy, as long as some mundane traditional parsite remedy did not remove all mongered fear.

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I am thankful for all of this evidence. When are the arrests and prosecutions going to come?

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Watch the video in the article. Arrests and prosecution of those who refused the vaccin have already begun.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/joe-bidens-military-cant-reach-recruiting-quota-then/

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