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Jun 23·edited Jun 24Liked by Jonathan Engler

Quick note: To say the use of aspirin "contributed" or could have contributed is fair to theorize about however, as it is with the EMF as cause for Spanish Flu theory, the evidence for aspirin being a major cause is weak and omits the fact that many, many countries did not partake of a mass aspirin campaign yet did have mass death that was (falsely) attributed to the Spanish Flu.

While it's true that poison pills and poisonous injections will "contribute" to the mass death those pale in comparison to the chemical and gas warfare that was ongoing from 1915-1918, the mass famine and the apocalyptic destruction experienced due to WW1.

This is a recurring problem with "our side" in that they might look for a "single cause" such as 5G (which is nasty), or the vaxx (which is toxic) rather than examining the totality of the social and economic conditions as well as the geopolitical context.

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Fair comment. You will note that I merely expressed surprise that the HFDF's article didn't mention aspirin at all. I still thought it an excellent piece.

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Jun 24Liked by Jonathan Engler

Absolutely fair comment. I’ve read enough to be convinced that multiple factors were involved in the deaths attributed to the “Spanish Flu Pandemic”.

However, “respiratory viruses” weren’t a factor. That’s fiction.

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Agree. That was the cover story.

No such thing as Spanish Flu- it's all fiction.

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Agreed, Doc! As to the wider subject of Jonathan's excellent post, one thing continues to gnaw at my brain. The more we dig in the gnarled, rancid, aftermath of the Great Covid Debacle, the more toxic waste we discover about PREVIOUS scams. I don't want to jinx it, but at this rate, someone will discover a paper, written in the aftermath of some previous scamdemic, that details the location Jimmy Hoffa's burial site. #DamnTheTorpedoes

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Jun 23Liked by Jonathan Engler

Agree- while salicylates were one factor, the overriding environment of the toxicities from ww1, both chemical and stress, and the lack of antibiotics explains most of the death imo.

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Lack of antibiotics, insanitary conditions and poor diet.

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I think all sides are prone to this looking for a "single cause" and I think it is because we are encouraged especially by the new technologies to have a short attention span. But "our side" is attacked for anything. The other side are all angels and so kind. You know?

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Jun 23Liked by Jonathan Engler

h/t Martin Neil for bringing up this response to Starko's aspirin theory in a discussion last year.

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/50/8/1203/451446?login=false

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BTW I did spot this response to the rebuttal:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/42108132_Reply_to_Noymer_et_al

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We can talk about this another time, but my problem with 1918 narratives is the same as my problem with 2020 narratives: None of it makes sense with daily all-cause deaths insofar as timing is concerned.

Let's use New York City: https://substack.com/profile/32813354-jessica-hockett/note/c-59944495?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=jjay2

What all started happening in late September 1918 - and how does it account for what we see here in terms of rise and drop?

Also, what is a reasonable explanation for why a respiratory illness is suddenly rampant in October?

Note as well that the spring 2020 and fall 1918 death events are both "off-season". Why is that? Because "novel"?

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Fascinating. I look forward to reading that kids born in 2020 were named Remdesivir.

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Jun 24Liked by Jonathan Engler

Ha.

In that rebuttal, Starko ends with

"One step in proving or disproving the hypothesis is comparison of outcomes for

those treated and those not treated with aspirin in 1918. Although I am unaware of any study of influenza with 1918 aspirin doses, a 1983 study of 47 college students...

Meticulous records, such as those kept by the military in 1918, may be an excellent source of additional information."

It seems doubtful that anyone will ever get hold of meticulous records.

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Jun 24Liked by Jonathan Engler

The military was absolutely not keeping meticulous records in 1918 (or today) they were in fact concealing certain events that were happening on the battlefield, in training exercises and withing military encampments.

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Jun 24·edited Jun 24Liked by Jonathan Engler

My husband reported to me that years ago he saw twins: Lemonjelo and Oranjelo. It will happen.

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Love it. Pandemic newborn names:

"Corona, Covid, Lockdown, and Sanitiser"

My favorite is Sanitiser Singh.

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Probably too much to hope for that they be related to Skylab Singh

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We know when we've won when a child is named Pseudopandemic Singh.

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Jun 23·edited Jun 23Liked by Jonathan Engler

The example of India was one I used and the same is said for Russia and many other European countries.

This type of analysis that is used w/Aspirin was also suggested for mass electrification as causal however the mass electrification program was not in place in most of the world- at that time- it came shortly thereafter- and so fails the test as a reasonable explanation.

While given a brief mention in the HFDF paper after some discussion it was not included by the original author- wink. That said EMF poisoning is real but the evidence for it being causal for the "Spanish Flu" is weak.

I will also say that the authors of that paper re:India/Spanish Flu are flat wrong in their core assumptions about the "Spanish Flu" in India. I have studied this at length and in-depth going over hundreds of pages of historical ad source documents. The India story itself in regards to the "Spanish Flu" mythology is yet another case study in social factors of disease but was too involved for the scope of the HFDF article.

The entire story of the Spanish Flu is quite fascinating- worthy of a book.

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Jun 24Liked by Jonathan Engler

I no longer accept unquestioningly statements about how many people died of Spanish flu in India.

Imagine the thought experiment that you were setting up the fiction that a terrible respiratory viral “pandemic”, which record would be very helpful if you were to stage another fake pandemic later?

What more helpful evidence would be reports from distant territories of very large numbers of people dying of the purported “Spanish flu”, especially young people?

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Jun 24Liked by Jonathan Engler

Fast forward to the COVID Era with a reminder that India is where the so-called "Delta" variant was first "identified"

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Jun 24Liked by Jonathan Engler

The story of India and the Spanish Flu was given to the world by the British colonialists and their Indian proxies. It's all lies.

The story of "Spanish Flu" in India is in large part the story of colonialism and famine.

"Imagine the thought experiment that you were setting up the fiction that a terrible respiratory viral “pandemic”, which record would be very helpful if you were to stage another fake pandemic later?"

That is what they did. As is touched up on in the article this was at a time when the pharma/chemical enterprise was being launched.

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Jun 23Liked by Jonathan Engler

Daily all cause death data for cities needed.

My own current view on what occurred isn't represented by anyone.

Agreed books are needed.

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Jun 23Liked by Jonathan Engler

If you think you are going to get accurate daily all-cause data for cities in regards to "Spanish Flu" you've got another thing coming.

Whether your view is represented or not means nothing.

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If avaialble all-cause for 1918 is inaccurate, it matters.

Stories and data for 1918 are a big part of what fuels a belief that pandemics are possible, etc

https://x.com/wood_house76/status/1769371817246953872?s=46

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You missed the point.

There is no "if" about it- it's all inaccurate.

"Stories and data for 1918 are a big part of what fuels a belief that pandemics are possible..."

Well no kidding- I've been aware of this for nearly two decades now.

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No, I'm not missing the point. I'm making a point I consider quite critical.

Either that 1918 ACM curve is true or it's false. Just like 2020. If you've been aware of the NYC daily death data irrespective of cause for nearly two decades, that's fine, but let's remember that some very respected scientists are still claiming that ACM isn't susceptible to bias and is largely reliable.

I can allow for some degree of "error" with respect to record-keeping, of course. But those hand-written 1918 death certificates are looking a lot better than the ones from 2020 we can't even see!

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There are many theories

We know it wasn’t a virus (no isolation)

We know it didn’t transmit between humans

https://www.ggarchives.com/Influenza/TheRosenauExperiment-1918-1919.html

So this pandemic thing is quite the fairytale

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Jun 23Liked by Jonathan Engler

Just on the topic of variable mortality of spanish influenza, I read an article by a substack author (sorry I can't find it to cite) where they suggested that a contributing factor might have been chemical protective equipment training for WWI recruits. They would be exposed to chemical agents in training and be weakened to respiratory illness as a result. Modern training has recruits take your masks off in the 'mask confidence chamber' where you then inhale gas.

Recently my wife and kids went to the local public indoor pool. A couple of days later they all got mild respiratory illness, but I did not. I think their lung immune defenses were weakened by breathing in pool fumes but mine had not been. A similar effect could have happened during the spanish influenza.

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that's very interesting, thanks.

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Several years ago my youngest daughter caught whooping cough of her friend. They were about 8 years old. Both girls had been jabbed. I think they were the only girls at the school to get it. Her GP at the time was very surprised when the test came back positive. Couple of weird facts.

Both the girls were keen swimmers and would swim 3 mornings a week at the school’s indoor pool.

The friend’s mother happened to be the head of the vaccine program here in NSW. Something I had thought at the time was just a strange coincidence.

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This happened.

Not only was respiratory equipment crude to non-existent it wasn't emphasized even as attacks were occurring.

Another facet was that the coming use of chemical/gas warfare that certain forces were to use was being muted by these forces. In particular before the US entered the US military commanders knew what was happening in the European theater and knew that they too were going to be using chemical agents.

At the same time they didn't want their troops, who were preparing to head to war, to be too petrified of these gas attacks.

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I found Jonathan's discovery of the JHU's disclaimer that its Event 201 and simililarity with the COVID crisis was "coincidental" to be delightful. And these JHU pronouncements occurred in early December 2023? Cue the Twilight Zone title song.

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This subject was addressed on a blog/website by someone calling himself "Brother John". His narrative was that OTC aspirin products were only recently available towards the end of the first world war. Soldiers had been treated with aspirin and wrote home telling folks of the remedy for flu symptoms. When the flu struck, people took aspirin to reduce their fever. Instead of burning the germs / rubbish off with fever, it was suppressed, and a week later these people ended up on death's door because all they'd done was aggravate the illness. I can't recall if super-fevers resulted, or whether folks were just overwhelmed by the 'bugs'.

I think this is more likely than aspirin 'toxicity'.

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It seems to me that regular doses would be unlikely to do that as people have been taking them for a century now when feverish without waves of deaths (though I could entertain the idea that their illnesses are prolonged).

Did you read the Starko article? The circumstantial evidence provided is strong. Looking at how the mass hysteria of the last few years resulted in anything thought to be at all beneficial being adopted in a totally exaggerated manner (distancing, paxlovid, remdesivir, oxygen, intubation, vaccines etc) it's not hard to imagine fearful people downing huge quantities.

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Yeah. Isn’t hard to imagine . I managed to excavate the article from the wayback machine;

https://web.archive.org/web/20080509101401/http://www.brojon.org/frontpage/murdermedicine1.html

Too much of something that is the wrong thing isn’t great.

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My FREE Salt Water Cure for Bird Flu and Covid and any other virus:

3 minutes from preparation to job done: Mix one heaped teaspoon of table (or Iodine) salt in a mug of warm clean water, cup a hand and sniff or snort the entire mugful up your nose, spitting out anything which comes down into your mouth. If burning sensation, then you have a virus, so continue morning noon and night, or more often if you want, until the burning sensation goes away (2-3 minutes) then blow out your nose with toilet paper and flush away, washing your hands afterwards, until when you do my simple cure, you don't have any burning sensation at all, when you flush - job done. Also swallow a couple of mouthfuls of salt water and if you have burning in your lungs, salt killing virus and pneumonia, there too.It washes behind the eyes, the brain bulb, brain stem (Long Covid), The Escutcheon Tubes to the inner ears and the top of the throat which is at a point roughly level with half way up your ears and not where your mouth is and it goes down the back of your throat, when infected there too.

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Nobody has been injured or killed by my above salt water cure

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I know this is off topic, but I thought it relevant, so I hope you don't mind me posting it: And now we know who pulls Trump's strings: But don't forget Trump learned a lot when his "very good friend" Rothschild helped bail him out of his impending bankruptcy while he was still building Trump Towers....i think from memory he gave Trump somewhere near US$ One Billion dollars to bail him out and finish the towers;

"i will forever be indebted to my very good friend" said Donald J Trump... the Income Tax for that he discounted twice, from the American Taxpayer - one outstanding Lawful Trial for that, to go and outstanding - Trump the guy who never paid any income tax, ever.

AND for every dollar the US taxpayer paid for the shots, Trump himself got I believe 10c back from Pfizer; this is from (former) US Attorney David Knight, which means Trump probably got the same amount back from all of the vaccine makers, so with a population of 328,239,523 in 2019, of which let's say, 70% were vaccinated = 22,976,766 x 10c = $2,297,676.60 cents every 3 months because they got a booster too x 3 times a year = $6,893,029.80 yearly free handshake - no wonder Trump did not want Biden to get "his" bonus - it must have hurt Trump like Hell that Biden was getting Trump's vaccine bonus each year, equalling $27,572,119.00 for 4 years - no wonder he wants to be the American President again, with his own Presidential income on top, from all other indirect lurks and perks, which were paid to his businesses, so they did not show up as Trump Presidential income.

Hell, you would expect Trump to tell all of his Republican Party to get vaccinated too, to keep his vaccines cash incentive up - hang on a moment, he did, although Trump was "never seen" to have his vaccines, himself and of course, Trump never lies, does he?

Not to worry though Trump, your now vaccinated followers, ready for their extermination, by your hand (Defense Production Act), dug deep in their pockets and have refunded you almost US$400 Million, enough to cover your debts and be home free, with all of your cash and material assets, at no cost to yourself, with your yearly 10c per head vaccines payment intact, if you can "just" be made President again and a fat payment from your Masters, below, for directing their vaccines policy exterminations, presumably - might even get "knighted", not bad for a Convicted Sex Offender and Felon.

President Trump said he invoked the Defense Production Act more than 100 times to facilitate Operation Warp Speed. https://www.keionline.org/misc-docs/DOD-ATI-Pfizer-Technical-Direction-Letter-OTA-W15QKN-16-9-1002-21July2020.pdf

Operation Warp Speed 3rd Paragraph down, contract signed by Trump, the only person with self imposed Presidential power, to be able do that, for the US Army.

And now we know who pulls Trump's strings “The masterplan [to vaccinate the world] was done by none other than the Wellcome Trust, NIAID Anthony Fauci, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (specifically Dr. Chris Elias), Dr. Gao from the CDC of the People’s Republic of China and a whole host of others who sit on what is called the Global Preparedness Monitoring Board,” Dr. Martin said

The Alex Jones Show: Dr. David Martin Interview – US Gov. Is Coordinating A Depopulation Programme Against The World (timestamp 16:43)

Biden was Pfizer's puppet - according to a whisteblower in Biden's office, Pfizer was in touch with Biden at least 3 times a day - I can't see Biden giving Pfizer orders, can you?

I can appreciate why Biden allows so many illegals over the border, can you? at 10c per head vaccinated, he can't go wrong, on top of his current vaccine earnings - knock regular American's off by vaccines and replace them with illegals, who work for practically nothing - win/win, who vaccinated, go the same way, eventually - keep the numbers up and the vaccines cash flow at 10c per head, in.

Once you are "vaccinated", you can't go back to being "not vaccinated" and whatever happens to your body happens, that was "Trump and Biden's deliberate genocide", which also involved you and which you volunteered to be part of.

As a "Confidence Trickster" Trump is in a class of his own - Biden just jumped on Trump's shirt tails and into the Presidency, when Trump lost it.

I wonder if Trump laughs himself to sleep at night, his followers "almost US$400 Million donated", given his thoughts on those who went to the Vietnam War and died, Trump not going, by ducking Call Up once and Biden FIVE times, according to Berenson? - but at least JFK went - PT-109 wasn't it, who RFK Junior is related to?

Trump or Biden for President again - Really?

At least RFK Junior does not need the extra 10c per head vaccines funding, with his running mate and will kill it and hopefully go after those responsible for your eventual, but Trump and Biden's, vaccinated extermination.

So with the US President getting 10c per head, it's not hard to work out how much your "Leaders" of your Country got paid, on the side either, is it? Just do a Google search to discover how many of you there were in 2019 x say 70% vaccinated x10 cents per head to arrive at a base sum x 3 times yearly including the boosters too, those people you elected to be paid from the Public Purse, huge incomes, with all of the lurks and perks, to keep them honest - much laughter - Honest - Really?

The facts, I feel, speak for themselves.

I always thought that the person elected to the Presidency had to be impeccable - something slipped now?

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Do you have links to any actual evidence that Trump is cut in with 10% of all Pfizer covid vaccine revenue?

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RFK Jr is, I regret to say, just as embedded in the global control agenda as anyone else in the upper echelons of bloodline families.

I have first hand testimony that he refuses to hear about the fakery around “anthropogenic global warming” and instead maintains that “Something must be done” on this.

I think we know what that something is, don’t we?

Every potential electoral winner is already under the control of the people I call “the perpetrators”.

Why in the world would they possibly accept anything else?

I dodged a bullet in 2022, when I was approached to be bait in a fund-raiding series of audiences with The Great Man.

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“anthropogenic global warming” I don't beleive in that rubbish either. The ice is thicker now than it has ever been, the Great Barrier Reef Coral is thriving, at no place is there any evidence of global warming - if people want to find hot spots, the world has them and always has had them. It is normal for our world to heat and cool itself as well as wobble a bit out of axis and there are ocean and air currents and El Nino which have those effects since time well immemorable. I remember as a school kid at the Tom Brown's Victorian type boarding school my parents sent me to in 1953 that someone predicted the end of the world and we all went and sat on the front lawn of the boarding school and waited for the end to come and I'm still waiting. Rodeney Boarding School - Google it is interested.

What the Elite don't want you to think about, is the extermination program they have in place, so they distract you away from those things, to global warming or some other diversion, so that they can have their way with you, while you are looking away and in some other direction, while they terminate you.

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How does he know that ? Is that devil group planning another pandemic ?

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Neil is a very astute learned man, the truth he always speaks.

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Aspirin, Tylenol, all NSAIDS deplete the body's master antioxidant, glutathione.

Dr Zelenko's treatment, which prevented death, hospitalization & severe illness of all his patients, including those with multiple morbid condition, boosts glutathione with zinc, selenium, NAC, Vitamin D, C and quercetin and thus counters oxidative stress & cellular damage & destruction.

Hospitals did the opposite : They provided patients pure oxygen, which increased oxidation of their respiratory tract & further depletes antioxidants, and when patient's respiration falters even more, they pumped pressurized air into them. And gave them Tylenol.

Fauci poo-pooed NAC, & the FDA got major online retailers, including Walmart and Amazon to halt sales.

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