I find myself torn. At first I thought it was a lab leak (instead of a natural virus). Now, I look at the data from NYC bronx, and Milan Italy. That “virus” refused to cross borders. What kind of virus respects borders? Answer: no virus does that. So what killed those people. Always in the hospital.
You will find that the virus itself only had a 1% chance of killing people, mostly those with very weak health. Many deaths that were included in the statistics were attributed to the virus even if patience died of something unrelated just because they were also infected at the time of their death. The worst part was that the fear-mongering of the inflated death toll was to insure we comply with taking a DNA altering vaccine causing the most deaths.
Ella you have been led to believe in the existence of something called a "virus".
I was like yourrself about 3 years ago until I was asked to read the Rosenau experiments into the Spanish Flu. They tried every which way to prove human to human contagion from sick to healthy.
Take a guess how many of the healthy developed symptoms? Zero.
There was no observed contagion.
I then read Enders 1954 Measles paper were he observed no difference between the experiment and control.
This paper is the basis for modern day virology which is little more than pseudoscience.
It is up to you to believe what I am saying and read these studies for yourself.
Yeah i know about these studies but i also know about the fact that bioweapons are developed to target us, some may call it a virus I don’t really care what people call it, we are being targeted for the goal of depopulation and the means are endless.
Jen you have been led to believe in the existence of something called a "virus".
I was like yourrself about 3 years ago until I was asked to read the Rosenau experiments into the Spanish Flu. They tried every which way to prove human to human contagion from sick to healthy.
Take a guess how many of the healthy developed symptoms? Zero.
There was no observed contagion.
I then read Enders 1954 Measles paper were he observed no difference between the experiment and control.
This paper is the basis for modern day virology which is little more than pseudoscience.
It is up to you to believe what I am saying and read these studies for yourself.
Jen, I cannot understand how you have read my comment and come to the conclusion that I have some form of superioity complex.
I have simply said that I was exactly like the majority of people up to 3 years ago.
It was then brought to my attention that there are zero observed contagion studies that shows for example, measles or polio being transmitted between people.
This led to me discovering that virology has never produced a single paper which proves an entity called a pathogen in the form of a virus.
The evidence that I have read has persuaded me that I have been lied to all my life.
I used to have contamination OCD due to "germs".
If this makes me a smarter person for realising the health lie, then so be it.
I have searched in vain for any evidence that any virus has ever been isolated or cultured---much less sequenced. The fact that the entire scenario was gamed out in detail in Event 201 months before the onset of the "pandemic" is sufficient proof for me that the whole thing was made up and planned in advance.
After years of overtly suppressing, denying, censoring and/or ridiculing any non-narrative stories while aggressively promoting "The Science" and thereby greasing the rails of the pandemic hoax, NOW comes the massive scoop that "THEY" don't want you to read. Just more BS of "unknown etiology."
By whatever means, from the market or a lab, a real pathogen would have had to trigger effects that would look like crater impacts as far as the human victims were concerned. In said lab, all employees would have had to get very sick or die, because if there was a leak, the person wouldn't know they were creating a path of destruction, and accordingly wouldn't act like there was anything to contain, so everything in the lab, on the way out, and as a result everything and everyone outside would be contaminated. Was that the case? No.
At the market, not only the trader would have contact with the contaminated animal (although it is still not clear where "the animal" infected itself and where the origin of the whole thing is, where host zero got it from. So the whole thing leads nowhere). Animals are always in contact with each other, food chain and so on... Wait, too many facts. Neither the trader nor the animal were aware of its "dangerousness" and therefore did not behave as if they had to "contain" something. Where was the effect to be seen? Nowhere.
There were also no signs of unusual occurrences in the clinic when "patient zero" was admitted. Where is the impact that the pathogen must have caused in the clinic? The patient would have been treated like anyone else in a city called Wuhan, where the air quality is said to be the worst in the world. No one there would have taken precautions for lack of suspicion that something exceptionally dangerous was going on. So where has the mass death in the said clinic gone?
None of it was to be seen. The first impact was created with the declaration of a plndmc.
In the following a mysterious epidemic "breaks out" in Bergamo...but only after Hospital admissions. Hmmm.....
Diagnosed and "detected" by a test whose protocol, reagents and genetic template were delivered in record time without any real sample but plus peer review by a "brilliant virologist" on the other side of the world thanks to the "analysis of social media posts".
In the movie theater, the first popcorn bag would now be flying towards the screen.
If I remember correctly, patient zero was the one referred to as patient zero in the Sheng Li paper, atypical pneumonia. I'd have to double check, but the ophthalmologist who came up as the affected one came chronologically after that. The chronology of events by Eric Coppolino has the information detailed.
Emerging infectious diseases, such as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Zika virus disease, present a major threat to public health1,2,3. Despite intense research efforts, how, when and where new diseases appear are still a source of considerable uncertainty. A severe respiratory disease was recently reported in Wuhan, Hubei province, China. As of 25 January 2020, at least 1,975 cases had been reported since the first patient was hospitalized on 12 December 2019. Epidemiological investigations have suggested that the outbreak was associated with a seafood market in Wuhan. Here we study a single patient who was a worker at the market and who was admitted to the Central Hospital of Wuhan on 26 December 2019 while experiencing a severe respiratory syndrome that included fever, dizziness and a cough. Metagenomic RNA sequencing4 of a sample of bronchoalveolar lavage fluid from the patient identified a new RNA virus strain from the family Coronaviridae, which is designated here ‘WH-Human 1’ coronavirus (and has also been referred to as ‘2019-nCoV’).
The authors say that they investigated a single!!! suspected case from the fish market, no further cases occured seemingly. The diseased guy was a single phenomenon. Not a cluster. After that, the paper spoke of cases, i.e. PCR-confirmed individuals who did not come from the immediate environment. Also "the animal" that caused the "zoonosis" could never be identified.
No one at the clinic was aware of what was supposedly coming in the door. Yet there was no cluster at the clinic either, the story is completely inconsistent with what one would expect from an "outbreak".
The hong kong Chinese woman who allegedly spread the "virus" on a business trip in Germany without contact to the "found" Wuhan cases also did not trigger any clusters on the plane, in the company (Webasto) or in the hotel.
The chain reaction was only set in motion with the plndmc declaration, which makes no sense at all from a scientific and biological point of view.
That would never be my personal opinion of this fraudster and criminal. He was awarded the highest order of recognition by the German government. Brilliantly evil and devious therefore applies.
What I didn`t know before and learned here in Brazil, is that the official cause of death listed in the mortality database is NOT determined by doctors, but is assigned by public health authorities. And the way they determine it is a total mystery, perhaps even an algorithmic one. At a very precise point the number of covid deaths aligns perfectly with excess mortality. Then, suddenly, after vaccine success is declared, it doesn't. Yet excess mortality persisted. After nearly two years, I have yet top get an official explanation for this phenomenon. I suspect that the whole thing was farmed out to some international NGO (like Bloomberg Health or something) for cash.
I would add that another premise of the pandemic is that of the China/US adversarial relationship - that China/US cooperation/collaboration is minimal and strictly economic. My sense is that the Chinese-US relationship is adversarial in the same sense as wrestlers in WWE are adversaries - just to put on a good show - sort of like Democrats vs Republicans on a global scale.
In retrospect, there were significant major political events preceding Covid. One was the prediction by Tony Fauci that there would be a pandemic early in the Trump presidency. Another was the pandemic planning exercise called Event 201 - the remarkable distribution of the supposed virus within political boundaries (national borders) reflects this. Another was the announcement of the pandemic, on the basis of a handful of suipposed cases, by the CIA agent Michael Callahan in China, and relayed to the world by Robert Malone, also CIA affiliated, who continues to push the lab leak hypothesis. In the USA, Operation Warp Speed was primarily a military operation. Globally the 'emergency' was managed using tactics such as fear campaigns, lockdowns and the closure of schools that were not part of modern scientific infectious disease management for an influenza-like illness. Covid had politics written all over it in my view.
I haven't seen the book. My basic position is that of the prominent "no pandemic" writers including Fenton, Neil, Rancourt... There is too much information 'out there' for me to do anything but scratch the surface.... I'm just an ordinary media consumer looking for reality in a world saturated with lies.
Can you clarify how what you initially said above is connected to your own position and/or to what we have said to Ridley and van de Merwe? (Genuinely trying to understand here...not being difficult!) :)
OK. I'm struggling for time here. You are asking questions of Ridley and van de Merwe that are designed to test their basic narrative of an infectious disease pandemic starting from a lab leak in Wuhan. What I initially said above relates to the historical origin of the narrative itself. The way was prepared for the lab leak hypothesis - a special case of a point source of a global pandemic - long in advance by an elaborate campaign to embed that narrative structure in the public mind and in the structures of public health bureaucracies globally. There is really no conceptual difference between Fauci's often reiterated warnings of a deadly pandemic emerging from a natural point source, and the lab leak.
You are correctly questioning the scientific basis of the point source theory. However hypotheses don't come from nowhere, and it is useful to think about the historical origin of the ruling hypothesis, and whether it is really an objective choice in the first place. There seem to have been very powerful vested interests at work, grooming the public health community and the public generally to accept the ruling hypothesis. I can't really add more to this discussion I'm afraid, due to time constraints. But I do admire your dedication - and am most grateful. You've chosen a hard road, but the right one.
You and I are in agreement regarding the origin of the narrative/story and its importance to studying and understanding the operation. "Where" and when that story begins depends on the "zoom level" at which one is viewing things. Limiting myself to the past 25 years -- and to the US/WHO side of things I could "begin" and proceed from 1997, 2001, 2002, 2005, 2009, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2017, or 2019. :)
What you're saying about "grooming" is what I've called "priming" and have written much about on my Substack but won't belabor here.
In our response to MR/VDM, we identified the contemporanous origin of the “SARS-CoV-2” story and the general sequence (of events, that is!) which followed — and contrasted (in general terms) what we have found to be the case, in effect, the opposite of what the official story and many permitted dissent "variants" claim.
There are lots of ways to skin a cat, but the approach in this particular response/invitation was (in my view, not speaking for my colleagues) to point out that they have addressed a very narrow question (i.e., whether there is more evidence for one point of origin or another), have not proffered a hypothesis for what happened or how it happened, and have not accounted for many oddities that falsify or seriously challenge their assumptions. Should they articulate a story/hypothesis, we can address it. (See also https://www.woodhouse76.com/p/matt-ridleys-believe-it-or-not for same spirit)
Another approach would be to meet them on purely scientific terms, in view of what both (likely) accepted as being possible from an evolutionary biology perspective prior to 2020 and what made them change their minds/contradict what they/their field(s) had long assumed or contended.
I used to but that site was taken down as part of a plea agreement back in 2012. You can recreate the data by searching for news articles of people dying in their homes from suffocation / hypoxia in the 6 months after 911. When i first compiled it, i stopped once the number exceeded the deaths on 911. Figured that was enough to make the point i was trying to make.
I should probably take a week and get the data again. It will be a bit more difficult than the last time i did, but it is worth it to show just how much the govt actually cares about the people.
Across the country, but slightly more on the East Coast, but that could have just been due to coverage of the deaths and population density. Immediately after 911, while CNN was blitzing the public with the anthrax scare and bioterrorism fear porn, the US Govt put out the recommendation on every channel to seal your home up with plastic wrap and duct tape and many people followed that suggestion. The recommendation basically told people to create air tight quarters to sit in and watch the news. I'm surprised it never got an honorable mention in the Darwin Awards....
The so called Sars-cov2 virus has never been scientifically proven to exist in the real world so that's where the speculation of its origins should start and end. Simple really.
A planned event which started at Event 201 ,all else is smoke and mirrors .Big Pharma and investors on the inside loop made $ with a capital B .Consider that Gates invested big in pharma and sold his stock in a timely manner to harvest the rewards .
But that isn't what is meant by any of the prominent proponents of the "lab origin" hypothesis.
Their version of events is that after realease / escape either deliberately or not, a novel virus spread person-to-person from a point source around the world directly causing waves of excess deaths.
Chiming in as the Hermione/pedant of the trio. ;-)
You are correct that we said "Lab Origin" in the headline, which accounts for more possibilities and is inclusive of more hypotheses. We'd love to hear from prominent/convinced natural origin proponents too, as there are many holes in the story from that angle as well.
In some ways, the most "honest" dichotomy is the one posed by the CIA in its assessment under the Biden administration (which was widely misquoted and misinterpreted): The agency said research-based origin/natural origin and didn't mention a leak, accident, release, Wuhan, China, etc. https://www.woodhouse76.com/p/follow-up-cia-assessment-of-covid
Whatever SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19, respectively, are or are not, those ARE the only options, though they are not mutually-exclusive.
With MR/VDM's paper, we're chiefly concerned with how robust their [implicit] proposition is -- and those like it.
We've all mentioned clone dispersal etc in our writings about 'origin'. Really, that would be a poisoning of sorts. But I've yet to hear anyone who is full-on advocating clone dispersal reckon with the data and explain, in writing, what they believe could have occurred.
Agree with all of this. And yes a “attack of the clones” is poisoning. More likely they grew up some proteins they could detect and dumped it in toilets in major cities to be found in the sewers. Voila, asymptomatic spread.
Using recombinant DNA, grow up whatever part of the SARS-COV-2 genome you want, say Spike, give it to people in containers and have them go to major cities, check into a hotel and dump it in the toilet.
rtPCR the city’s sewage for said protein. Public health are routinely using sewage testing as a proxy for contagious disease detection.
During COVID, I think Inovio (IIRC) had grown up giant vats of Spike. I think it’s a solid theory. Can’t say it’s mine though.
Not needed when you can PCR-test non-sick people for non-specific things and get the same result. Not seeing how putting things in sewer per se gets back to people. Also not sure about replication in the water and defer to others on that.
I didn’t say anything about replication. Testing sewage systems is a public health data gathering initiative. It doesn’t really matter if you think it’s necessary. I would agree that you might not have to place something there because you can probably find almost anything there already.
I find myself torn. At first I thought it was a lab leak (instead of a natural virus). Now, I look at the data from NYC bronx, and Milan Italy. That “virus” refused to cross borders. What kind of virus respects borders? Answer: no virus does that. So what killed those people. Always in the hospital.
It sure looks like iatrogenic harm
You will find that the virus itself only had a 1% chance of killing people, mostly those with very weak health. Many deaths that were included in the statistics were attributed to the virus even if patience died of something unrelated just because they were also infected at the time of their death. The worst part was that the fear-mongering of the inflated death toll was to insure we comply with taking a DNA altering vaccine causing the most deaths.
"just because they *had been given a positive PCR result* at the time of their death."
It's unlikely anyone was "infected" with an entity labeled Covid.
True once you know that the ultimate goal was the death shot there is no end to the scam that made people submit to it
Ella you have been led to believe in the existence of something called a "virus".
I was like yourrself about 3 years ago until I was asked to read the Rosenau experiments into the Spanish Flu. They tried every which way to prove human to human contagion from sick to healthy.
Take a guess how many of the healthy developed symptoms? Zero.
There was no observed contagion.
I then read Enders 1954 Measles paper were he observed no difference between the experiment and control.
This paper is the basis for modern day virology which is little more than pseudoscience.
It is up to you to believe what I am saying and read these studies for yourself.
Yeah i know about these studies but i also know about the fact that bioweapons are developed to target us, some may call it a virus I don’t really care what people call it, we are being targeted for the goal of depopulation and the means are endless.
There never was a virus Ella.
Generally speaking, ICU is where old people are sent to die, and where hospitals go for cash. My wife said that and she`s a real doctor.
Jen you have been led to believe in the existence of something called a "virus".
I was like yourrself about 3 years ago until I was asked to read the Rosenau experiments into the Spanish Flu. They tried every which way to prove human to human contagion from sick to healthy.
Take a guess how many of the healthy developed symptoms? Zero.
There was no observed contagion.
I then read Enders 1954 Measles paper were he observed no difference between the experiment and control.
This paper is the basis for modern day virology which is little more than pseudoscience.
It is up to you to believe what I am saying and read these studies for yourself.
Gosh how are you so much smarter than the average human. You must be so proud
Jen, I cannot understand how you have read my comment and come to the conclusion that I have some form of superioity complex.
I have simply said that I was exactly like the majority of people up to 3 years ago.
It was then brought to my attention that there are zero observed contagion studies that shows for example, measles or polio being transmitted between people.
This led to me discovering that virology has never produced a single paper which proves an entity called a pathogen in the form of a virus.
The evidence that I have read has persuaded me that I have been lied to all my life.
I used to have contamination OCD due to "germs".
If this makes me a smarter person for realising the health lie, then so be it.
I am no smarter than anybody else.
I have searched in vain for any evidence that any virus has ever been isolated or cultured---much less sequenced. The fact that the entire scenario was gamed out in detail in Event 201 months before the onset of the "pandemic" is sufficient proof for me that the whole thing was made up and planned in advance.
Same here Ernest.
I am still awaiting the discovery of that unicorn paper!
After years of overtly suppressing, denying, censoring and/or ridiculing any non-narrative stories while aggressively promoting "The Science" and thereby greasing the rails of the pandemic hoax, NOW comes the massive scoop that "THEY" don't want you to read. Just more BS of "unknown etiology."
What you are speaking of TNK is called science™.
It has been so corrupted now that I don't think they actually know what the truth is anymore.
By whatever means, from the market or a lab, a real pathogen would have had to trigger effects that would look like crater impacts as far as the human victims were concerned. In said lab, all employees would have had to get very sick or die, because if there was a leak, the person wouldn't know they were creating a path of destruction, and accordingly wouldn't act like there was anything to contain, so everything in the lab, on the way out, and as a result everything and everyone outside would be contaminated. Was that the case? No.
At the market, not only the trader would have contact with the contaminated animal (although it is still not clear where "the animal" infected itself and where the origin of the whole thing is, where host zero got it from. So the whole thing leads nowhere). Animals are always in contact with each other, food chain and so on... Wait, too many facts. Neither the trader nor the animal were aware of its "dangerousness" and therefore did not behave as if they had to "contain" something. Where was the effect to be seen? Nowhere.
There were also no signs of unusual occurrences in the clinic when "patient zero" was admitted. Where is the impact that the pathogen must have caused in the clinic? The patient would have been treated like anyone else in a city called Wuhan, where the air quality is said to be the worst in the world. No one there would have taken precautions for lack of suspicion that something exceptionally dangerous was going on. So where has the mass death in the said clinic gone?
None of it was to be seen. The first impact was created with the declaration of a plndmc.
In the following a mysterious epidemic "breaks out" in Bergamo...but only after Hospital admissions. Hmmm.....
Diagnosed and "detected" by a test whose protocol, reagents and genetic template were delivered in record time without any real sample but plus peer review by a "brilliant virologist" on the other side of the world thanks to the "analysis of social media posts".
In the movie theater, the first popcorn bag would now be flying towards the screen.
"There were also no signs of unusual occurrences in the clinic when "patient zero" was admitted."
When you say 'patient zero' to whom are you referring? (I ask because not everyone means the same person.)
Thanks.
Perhaps be means the late 2019 patient diagnosed with “an unusual pneumonia” in Wuhan?
If I remember correctly, patient zero was the one referred to as patient zero in the Sheng Li paper, atypical pneumonia. I'd have to double check, but the ophthalmologist who came up as the affected one came chronologically after that. The chronology of events by Eric Coppolino has the information detailed.
Thanks. There are competing narratives.
If you have the link to the paper to which you're referring, I'd be grateful. Can email WoodHouseSub@proton.me if preferred.
Abstract
Emerging infectious diseases, such as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Zika virus disease, present a major threat to public health1,2,3. Despite intense research efforts, how, when and where new diseases appear are still a source of considerable uncertainty. A severe respiratory disease was recently reported in Wuhan, Hubei province, China. As of 25 January 2020, at least 1,975 cases had been reported since the first patient was hospitalized on 12 December 2019. Epidemiological investigations have suggested that the outbreak was associated with a seafood market in Wuhan. Here we study a single patient who was a worker at the market and who was admitted to the Central Hospital of Wuhan on 26 December 2019 while experiencing a severe respiratory syndrome that included fever, dizziness and a cough. Metagenomic RNA sequencing4 of a sample of bronchoalveolar lavage fluid from the patient identified a new RNA virus strain from the family Coronaviridae, which is designated here ‘WH-Human 1’ coronavirus (and has also been referred to as ‘2019-nCoV’).
The Fan Wu paper, yes.
https://www.woodhouse76.com/p/crowdsourcing-why-is-a-sequence-in
The authors say that they investigated a single!!! suspected case from the fish market, no further cases occured seemingly. The diseased guy was a single phenomenon. Not a cluster. After that, the paper spoke of cases, i.e. PCR-confirmed individuals who did not come from the immediate environment. Also "the animal" that caused the "zoonosis" could never be identified.
No one at the clinic was aware of what was supposedly coming in the door. Yet there was no cluster at the clinic either, the story is completely inconsistent with what one would expect from an "outbreak".
The hong kong Chinese woman who allegedly spread the "virus" on a business trip in Germany without contact to the "found" Wuhan cases also did not trigger any clusters on the plane, in the company (Webasto) or in the hotel.
The chain reaction was only set in motion with the plndmc declaration, which makes no sense at all from a scientific and biological point of view.
These people really do want to keep their gravy train going don't they?
"Viruses" I have still to discover that unicorn paper detailing the isolation of any such entity.
I have just sent you the chronology.
Thanks. Bit of a hot mess/overload but some good reminders and a good general resource.
"brilliant virologist" Who? Christian Drosten.
He is little more than a first class grifter.
That would never be my personal opinion of this fraudster and criminal. He was awarded the highest order of recognition by the German government. Brilliantly evil and devious therefore applies.
Well he does need the money to buy more oil for his hair, poor chap.
What I didn`t know before and learned here in Brazil, is that the official cause of death listed in the mortality database is NOT determined by doctors, but is assigned by public health authorities. And the way they determine it is a total mystery, perhaps even an algorithmic one. At a very precise point the number of covid deaths aligns perfectly with excess mortality. Then, suddenly, after vaccine success is declared, it doesn't. Yet excess mortality persisted. After nearly two years, I have yet top get an official explanation for this phenomenon. I suspect that the whole thing was farmed out to some international NGO (like Bloomberg Health or something) for cash.
This is a pretty interesting perspective.
I would add that another premise of the pandemic is that of the China/US adversarial relationship - that China/US cooperation/collaboration is minimal and strictly economic. My sense is that the Chinese-US relationship is adversarial in the same sense as wrestlers in WWE are adversaries - just to put on a good show - sort of like Democrats vs Republicans on a global scale.
All the obvious lies that we know already. And then some.
So good
In retrospect, there were significant major political events preceding Covid. One was the prediction by Tony Fauci that there would be a pandemic early in the Trump presidency. Another was the pandemic planning exercise called Event 201 - the remarkable distribution of the supposed virus within political boundaries (national borders) reflects this. Another was the announcement of the pandemic, on the basis of a handful of suipposed cases, by the CIA agent Michael Callahan in China, and relayed to the world by Robert Malone, also CIA affiliated, who continues to push the lab leak hypothesis. In the USA, Operation Warp Speed was primarily a military operation. Globally the 'emergency' was managed using tactics such as fear campaigns, lockdowns and the closure of schools that were not part of modern scientific infectious disease management for an influenza-like illness. Covid had politics written all over it in my view.
Am I correct to infer that you subscribe to Michael Senger's presentation of events as described in this article (and in his book)? https://www.michaelpsenger.com/p/michael-callahan-darpas-ventilator
I haven't seen the book. My basic position is that of the prominent "no pandemic" writers including Fenton, Neil, Rancourt... There is too much information 'out there' for me to do anything but scratch the surface.... I'm just an ordinary media consumer looking for reality in a world saturated with lies.
Can you clarify how what you initially said above is connected to your own position and/or to what we have said to Ridley and van de Merwe? (Genuinely trying to understand here...not being difficult!) :)
OK. I'm struggling for time here. You are asking questions of Ridley and van de Merwe that are designed to test their basic narrative of an infectious disease pandemic starting from a lab leak in Wuhan. What I initially said above relates to the historical origin of the narrative itself. The way was prepared for the lab leak hypothesis - a special case of a point source of a global pandemic - long in advance by an elaborate campaign to embed that narrative structure in the public mind and in the structures of public health bureaucracies globally. There is really no conceptual difference between Fauci's often reiterated warnings of a deadly pandemic emerging from a natural point source, and the lab leak.
You are correctly questioning the scientific basis of the point source theory. However hypotheses don't come from nowhere, and it is useful to think about the historical origin of the ruling hypothesis, and whether it is really an objective choice in the first place. There seem to have been very powerful vested interests at work, grooming the public health community and the public generally to accept the ruling hypothesis. I can't really add more to this discussion I'm afraid, due to time constraints. But I do admire your dedication - and am most grateful. You've chosen a hard road, but the right one.
Thanks for responding.
You and I are in agreement regarding the origin of the narrative/story and its importance to studying and understanding the operation. "Where" and when that story begins depends on the "zoom level" at which one is viewing things. Limiting myself to the past 25 years -- and to the US/WHO side of things I could "begin" and proceed from 1997, 2001, 2002, 2005, 2009, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2017, or 2019. :)
What you're saying about "grooming" is what I've called "priming" and have written much about on my Substack but won't belabor here.
In our response to MR/VDM, we identified the contemporanous origin of the “SARS-CoV-2” story and the general sequence (of events, that is!) which followed — and contrasted (in general terms) what we have found to be the case, in effect, the opposite of what the official story and many permitted dissent "variants" claim.
There are lots of ways to skin a cat, but the approach in this particular response/invitation was (in my view, not speaking for my colleagues) to point out that they have addressed a very narrow question (i.e., whether there is more evidence for one point of origin or another), have not proffered a hypothesis for what happened or how it happened, and have not accounted for many oddities that falsify or seriously challenge their assumptions. Should they articulate a story/hypothesis, we can address it. (See also https://www.woodhouse76.com/p/matt-ridleys-believe-it-or-not for same spirit)
Another approach would be to meet them on purely scientific terms, in view of what both (likely) accepted as being possible from an evolutionary biology perspective prior to 2020 and what made them change their minds/contradict what they/their field(s) had long assumed or contended.
Related to that:
https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com/p/claim-of-function-it-wasnt-a-lab
https://www.woodhouse76.com/p/sunetra-guptas-view-on-the-origins
Appreciate your time. Enjoy your weekend.
Why were so many higher ups allowed to not get the vaccine but the people were plagued with it.
No idea, but what has that question got to do with the article and the issues raised therein?
Make of it what you will but one simple fact remains: that governments worldwide worked hard to deceive their respective citizenry.
who's asserting that they didn't?
I used to but that site was taken down as part of a plea agreement back in 2012. You can recreate the data by searching for news articles of people dying in their homes from suffocation / hypoxia in the 6 months after 911. When i first compiled it, i stopped once the number exceeded the deaths on 911. Figured that was enough to make the point i was trying to make.
I should probably take a week and get the data again. It will be a bit more difficult than the last time i did, but it is worth it to show just how much the govt actually cares about the people.
Thanks. I can follow-up too.
Do you recall if the deaths were said to mostly be in NYC, or was it across the country/in various states?
Across the country, but slightly more on the East Coast, but that could have just been due to coverage of the deaths and population density. Immediately after 911, while CNN was blitzing the public with the anthrax scare and bioterrorism fear porn, the US Govt put out the recommendation on every channel to seal your home up with plastic wrap and duct tape and many people followed that suggestion. The recommendation basically told people to create air tight quarters to sit in and watch the news. I'm surprised it never got an honorable mention in the Darwin Awards....
The so called Sars-cov2 virus has never been scientifically proven to exist in the real world so that's where the speculation of its origins should start and end. Simple really.
A planned event which started at Event 201 ,all else is smoke and mirrors .Big Pharma and investors on the inside loop made $ with a capital B .Consider that Gates invested big in pharma and sold his stock in a timely manner to harvest the rewards .
I think a parsimonious explanation IS lab Origen.
1. SaRS-COV-2 is an Insilco disease model.
2. It will only be found as an infectious clone in a laboratory…
3. …unless it was put somewhere by someone and subsequently “found”.
But that isn't what is meant by any of the prominent proponents of the "lab origin" hypothesis.
Their version of events is that after realease / escape either deliberately or not, a novel virus spread person-to-person from a point source around the world directly causing waves of excess deaths.
The question is: how robust is THAT theory?
Agree 100%. Just being technical. ALL virology is ultimately a laboratory construct. Nothing as described by the “science” exists naturally.
Chiming in as the Hermione/pedant of the trio. ;-)
You are correct that we said "Lab Origin" in the headline, which accounts for more possibilities and is inclusive of more hypotheses. We'd love to hear from prominent/convinced natural origin proponents too, as there are many holes in the story from that angle as well.
In some ways, the most "honest" dichotomy is the one posed by the CIA in its assessment under the Biden administration (which was widely misquoted and misinterpreted): The agency said research-based origin/natural origin and didn't mention a leak, accident, release, Wuhan, China, etc. https://www.woodhouse76.com/p/follow-up-cia-assessment-of-covid
Whatever SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19, respectively, are or are not, those ARE the only options, though they are not mutually-exclusive.
With MR/VDM's paper, we're chiefly concerned with how robust their [implicit] proposition is -- and those like it.
We've all mentioned clone dispersal etc in our writings about 'origin'. Really, that would be a poisoning of sorts. But I've yet to hear anyone who is full-on advocating clone dispersal reckon with the data and explain, in writing, what they believe could have occurred.
See under "If not lab leak or wet market, then how did it' arise?" section of MN/JE https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com/p/virus-origins-and-gain-claim-of-function
Our response to Ms. Laytypova here https://www.woodhouse76.com/p/the-possibility-of-a-poisoning-event
Some other speculative ideas here (drawn from observations about language): https://www.woodhouse76.com/p/is-there-any-possible-way-for-sars
Agree with all of this. And yes a “attack of the clones” is poisoning. More likely they grew up some proteins they could detect and dumped it in toilets in major cities to be found in the sewers. Voila, asymptomatic spread.
I'll listen to any theory.
"Dumped in toilets" how?
The theory is mute as the so called Sars-cov2 virus has never been proven to exist scientifically in the real world.
Using recombinant DNA, grow up whatever part of the SARS-COV-2 genome you want, say Spike, give it to people in containers and have them go to major cities, check into a hotel and dump it in the toilet.
rtPCR the city’s sewage for said protein. Public health are routinely using sewage testing as a proxy for contagious disease detection.
During COVID, I think Inovio (IIRC) had grown up giant vats of Spike. I think it’s a solid theory. Can’t say it’s mine though.
That's a wastewater surveillance model; I am not seeing the connection to "morbidity"
Also the public health wastewater surveillance started in 2020, AFAIK.
I didn’t say anything about morbidity. In fact, I I said “ asymptomatic spread”.
Not needed when you can PCR-test non-sick people for non-specific things and get the same result. Not seeing how putting things in sewer per se gets back to people. Also not sure about replication in the water and defer to others on that.
I didn’t say anything about replication. Testing sewage systems is a public health data gathering initiative. It doesn’t really matter if you think it’s necessary. I would agree that you might not have to place something there because you can probably find almost anything there already.
Perhaps I'm not understanding what you are proposing as the sequence of events in late 2019/early 2020.
What is the hypothetical situation and how is it linked to what occurred? Use Chicago or New York as an example.
What to do with the nincompoops bent on destroying your work, Jonathan? Can you ban on Substack?